Yes, surreal logic can be funny – whichever side you backed last Thursday

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meglycinessnipTalking to quite a broad range of Brits both here, elsewhere in Europe and in England yesterday, most of them confessed to being “all Brexited out”. I agree with them entirely, which is why yesterday’s Slogposts (while on the subject of the vote) were wholly concerned with what the Referendum said about first of all the British Left in particular and our ‘democracy’ in general; and then whether for many people it was even about the EU at all.

However, over the weekend some quotes, tweets and confrontations were just so silly, I’d now like to ask one final question before moving on: was there any medium in the UK at all over the last few months that was giving out objective news, as opposed to PR spin and blatant propaganda?  The night before the vote, I posted to say the vote wasn’t democratic, because far from being informed, the electorate were largely confused, frightened and bored by the time voting day arrived.

I still stand by that. But rather than a philosophical look at the question, I thought today (it being Sunday, although I spent most of yesterday thinking it was Sunday too) we could have a little giggle and smile through the medium of examples.


SNOWBALLS

Without question, the topper of the day came from Jon Snow at Channel 4, who tweeted this uniquely daft anecdote:

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I have never had the slightest doubt that Snow is not a real journalist at all, but an agitator and all-round propagandist. One gets the impression watching him in action, however, that he sees himself as the secret offspring of a pre-Nunnery affair between Mother Theresa and Václav Havel. Jon goes beyond holier than thou, and into “I’m holier than all of you put together”.

So while the tweet didn’t surprise me at all (I still have the oddest feeling that he made it up) it did remind me of just how inaccurate the guy’s self-image is. First up, it was socially divisive and ageist at the same time, in reporting what these two idiots said without any hint of disapproval. Many Waspis may have noticed that Channel Four is, on the whole, completely uninterested in the Pensions heist: they equate old people with bigotry; except for Jon ‘Driven’ Snow, of course: he is just as riddled with ideologyworm as he ever was.

Second, think about it: in tears? In tears? The lack of voyager gene, the self-pity, the blindness about crimes committed at all levels by the Brussels mafia….could anyone be that daft and incapable of independent thought?

What we don’t know of course (assuming they exist) is what other shoppers said when treated to this izzounfaaaair bollocks. Buy some long trousers? When is your voice going to break? Diddums?

It’s all a bit Two Airmen sketch for me. Doubtless the C4 follow-up will be the counselling the couple now need, and who’s going to pay for it. Still, it makes a change from being accused of murder on account of having a contrary opinion. And that in turn made a change from being told I was irrational, deranged and illogical.


AN INOUTUPDOWNGOODBADTHING

In the end, it was a close thing. Here in Sloggers’ Roost, we didn’t see it as remotely close, as the score by polling day eve was Slog 192 Brexit reasons, Remaindeers 3 fantasies of disaster. It seemed a pretty clear result to me.

Either way, the score on the day was 52-48, and ten million hankies being dished out the day after to wimpy Yoof who’d been bullied by marauding gangs of deadly,  crutch waving old hooligans. All of which means that, for those who lost, there’s a reason to re-run the whole thing. Nick Wilson wants the referendum re-run because of the ‘false’ NHS promise; so far, he has yet to comment on the use of £9million of our money to send a Remain recommendation to every home in Britain.

FaragefaceThree million nitwits have now signed a petition for rerun (good losers all) but already evidence is emerging that a degree of Irish “vote early and often” mentality has been involved in the compilation of the names. On the other side of the coin however – and like a bad penny, Nigel Mirage is always around – the Sunday People did catch two-gobs out in rather witty fashion this morning:

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The story as a whole tells you three things very clearly: Nige is (as I’ve always maintained) just another politician who demands special privileges; there really are an alarming number of spoilt brat Brits  who won’t take no for an answer; and had the result been 52-48, another three million would be signing another petition. This means that six million voters in our country are stupid, and unable to accept that democracy is about the will of the majority holding sway.

I get huge heat from Kippers about my opinion of Mr Farage. But then, if the cap fits one must wear it. Early on Thursday evening, the UKip leader – who resigned and then talked himself out of resigning in 2015 – decided to concede defeat and then unconcede it. I had a yellatelly moment as this was announced: whatTF did he think he was playing at? To pass a UK driving test, one has to show the examiner at every opportunity that you understand the correct order of mirror, signal, manoeuvre. Nigel runs his life, as far as I can see, on the basis of speak, await reaction, engage brain.

But that’s Nigel, and for all his oddities it is incontrovertibly true that without this quite extraordinary man, our chances of getting an EU in/out referendum would have been nil, and possibly less. Also the Left would have nobody to hate, and we can’t allow that. VoteLeave is now showing its true colours by trying to freeze Farage out of the Brexit process, and while Boris Goveson’s busy making plans for a new Cabinet, they don’t seem to include the UKip boss, as such.

It wasn’t the Tories who got us out of Brussels Rules, it was UKip passion and a massive Leave vote from those who rarely engage in politics….plus some stunning speeches and top-notch soundbites from Kate Hoey, a woman as smart as she is honest. But it is entirely typical of the Establishment to assume that now the war’s over, those they used as cannon fodder should be left to rot in No Man’s Land.

Thatcherite Michael is more rum cove than Gove at the best of times, but there’s something about him that is more inclusive than Borisconi. Had they been cast in those Blackadder episodes set in the First World War, Boris would’ve been General Melchett and Michael his adjutant, Darling.

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 Sadly, I’m afraid Farage would’ve been a shoo-in for the George role:

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OSBORNE’S NOSE FOR VICTORY

And so to the latest news obsession…. where is George Osborne?

This was my take last night:

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But today, there were rumours that Little Osborne was about to resign. So I tried this:

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Look, you have to admit: it’s funny. The youth vote blames their grannies because 36% of 18-25s couldn’t be arsed to vote. A Pakistani tweeter says he has “lost count” of the insults shouted at his Asian friends since the result was announced. Nicola Sturgeon wants to use the Scottish Parliament to overturn the decision of Brits who outnumber Scots by 7 to 1. In a fit of pique, the most crooked bank on the planet has moved 300 UK jobs to Paris…and the Left are upset about it.

We must cling to the Truth: Twitter is a lunatic asylum where People at one time kept in attics by their ashamed families can Have Their Say. If not, then Britain is peopled from Lands End to John O’Groats by childish, self-pitying, comfort blanket clutching, tearful, undemocratic delusional denialists with grossly engorged double standards.

The final word:

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Last night at The Slog: Why the LABaTORY brought Brexit on its own head

38 thoughts on “Yes, surreal logic can be funny – whichever side you backed last Thursday

  1. I know it’s all about Brexit, but in or out, Britain’s government cannot afford the lifestyle to which it is accustomed.

    When Britain’s deficit is close to 8%, the era of being able to dodge the bullets by printing money are almost over. Money printing would have helped overcome a 4% deficit, all Britain needs now is an economic hiccup and the markets will turn.

    John Snow’s Sixth-Formers wail “What have these old people who voted LEAVE done to our lives?” – they’re obviously reading the newspapers rather than thinking things through for themselves. Because if they had, they’d have realized that the problem is the British government, the British way of voting and the absurd idea that British MPs are in some way responsible to the people who voted for them. I do not share the view that it is a democracy in any form. Oh, and of course, the fact that Britiish politicians are in the pay of the corporations – or if they aren’t, like Mr Corbyn, they are lambasted from all corners in an attempt to get them to toe the line.

    John Snow’s Sixth Formers would face the same future in or out of the European Union, because Westminster represents all that money can buy in the government of a country.

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  2. @william
    Democracy is the only form of government where if you lose the concensus of opinion it is for you no matter how hard to carry on … except BREMAIN of course.

    @JW
    On Farage resign unresign … the media had been so pro BREMAIN, in the lead I was anticpating losing never expected BREXIT to win. Even Dimbleby was all excited for his team BREMAIN to come first. The establishment I do not think realised what had happened before it was too late but now they obfusicate and delay not wanting to implement article 50. Imagine another 1-2 million ballot papers stuffed and be a whole different packet of handkerchiefs.

    Contemplated a petition to get implemented article 50, hurry it along a bit so people can start to build the brave new world. Occupied minds building a future do not tend to end up fighting standing around.

    @All
    With all the delay now the system tears itself apart, I do not want to think of it for 1 more day now held in torment for article 50 to be implemented and wish the BREMAIN were dead so they shut up. The more they go on the more angry many are going to become … if it was so important to them go live in the EZ and don’t come back – nothing stopping you freedom of movement and all.

    Now on an muse of thought what if … won’t happen but how would people react?

    The EU commission have completed the job of making a sham democracy in the EU all inclusive but the democracy part. Can you see the steal, they all resign and hand it to the european population by making it all elected by MEP’s. how much would you pay for it? A democratic Europe that is…

    It is still there not quite in ruins, smouldering a bit but would they? Could they?

    Hand over the project to the people to finally let it fully blossom or hold it in tyranny. *Nope they do not realise what they had so they will let it burn it down and repeat all over again*.

    What a waste.

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  3. @Gemma

    Another revelation the whole referendum was full of them. I call it the unrepresentative parliament now we need a general election to elect people who may best represent us and as is going to be the case BREMAIN.

    Approximately 95% of parliament is BREMAIN I kept a copy of webpages just in case like the BT 4 out of 5 voting BREXIT poll because another revelation has to be how many pages were posted on the internet and removed in short order not toeing the MSM line.

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  4. Mark Deacon,

    I call it the unrepresentative parliament now we need a general election to elect people who may best represent us How is one to achieve this when the entire system has been corrupted from the foundations upwards?

    The reason the MPs support Bremain was because they were told the consequences of doing otherwise (that is to say, it was hinted that their dossier on their expense accounts might be re-opened).

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  5. We’ve had a similar scenario here Down Under in Oz with an election campaign going for 10 weeks now, and a week left (thank God) to the actual election for our Federal government.

    We’ve had an ongoing tsunami of political spin pushed in our collective faces 24/7. Our minds have been marinated in political promises and policies until they’ve become sodden and we can no longer think straight.

    Media have had a melt down with all the pollies pushing their barrows through the various outlets.

    And yes, I really feel people are so confused, they don’t know who is telling the truth, which is up or down and how the hell will they vote.

    Sooo, with all that in mind, I thought I’d create a little youtube toonimation which expresses what most of us have been through.

    You may or may not enjoy it, but I’m damn sure you’ll relate to it.

    You’ll find it here . . . https://youtu.be/doIFdZ-HJOM

    Cheers
    Mick

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  6. Best comedy moment for me this morning was from Christopher Booker’s son Nick. His post on FB from last Thursday suggesting that the way to solve the conundrum of what to do next is to become a territory of India. That way they get a chance to do to us what we did to them. Best bit was his idea of putting all MPs, civil servants and The Queen up in the Best Exotic Marigold Hotel chain in Jaipur, subject to the return of the Kohinoor diamond. Beyond priceless! At the very least we would get a blue passport again….;-)

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  7. @Gemma, no-one can ‘afford’ anything any more. No amount of money printing will make any difference. Tomorrow we will start to see where the bodies are buried in the global Ponzi scheme, especially in the derivatives market, which is dependent on the bond bubble currently standing at around $100 trillion with 10% of that already trading in the negative rates zone. And Deutsche Bank is sitting on the biggest pile of derivatives of them all….

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-25/555-trillion-derivatives-debt-implosion-about-begin

    We just launched the first lifeboat, trying to get away from the good old ship EUtanic, though I very much doubt we will get away far enough to reach safety. We’re already holed below the waterline. But then Brexit will be the best thing to blame when the Tsunami hits.

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  8. Wouldn’t this be the perfect moment for the Tories to send someone [a traitor] off to secretly sign us up to the TTIP, TSIP, CAFTA, totalitarian corporate fascist agenda?

    Someone like a chancellor, about to leave office and anxious to feather his nest with 30 pieces of american silver.

    The great unwashed, Brexited out as they are, would be to busy filling out pointless petitions, whining and crying into their comfort blanket to even notice, let alone resist.

    … and as for the ‘opposition, well …..

    Before we can even think about rebuilding our nation, we must first put our house in order. We must first reject the totalitarian agenda coming from the EU [half done, maybe], America and the treacherous whiteminister mandarins.

    For the record, the main reason most people voted for Brexit was to return to being a Sovereign, independant people living in a sovereign independant nation.

    A complete rejection of all totalitarion, quazi fascist/communist/fedealist agenda’s, austerity, kangeroo, lynch-mob legal systems, protectionism, corruption, transfere of welfare systems and health systems to parasitic corporations, state/corporate media bullsh1t peddlars, Euroarmies, economic rape, etc, etc.

    Personally, I did not just vote out of the EU, I voted out of the whole globalist, insane, totalitarian agenda. I voted to destroy the whole Leviathan, the whole Hydra, not just to wound one of its heads.

    Time for us to ‘grow a pair’, put on our long trousers, gird our loins and stand on our own two feet like human beings, not cower in terror like some beaten cur.

    PS. We are OUT of the EU. The matter is settled. There is no need to listen to the diktats of Brussels, no need to ‘negotiate’ our exit on their terms. Its done. We are OUT and that is a FACT.

    Kudos goes to Mr Ward for all the excellent articles published here and, I hope, many more to come.

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  9. The problem with throwing your toys out of the pram is that you risk having to wait until you are big enough to climb out and pick them up yourself.

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  10. Does Boris Johnson / Gove get this deducted off their pay packets for every year and part thereof they do not get article 50 signed and the 2 year process started.

    https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

    £8.5 billion per year … Tell you what if parliament keeps delaying then we need to apply an unreprsentative financial haircut.

    @Hieronimusb.

    Yes to the throwing the toys out of the pram a good thing if you can’t afford them no? It is not going to be pretty whatever anybody thinks but our politcians are giving no urgency to turn the corner and move on. We need to take a leaf out of Icelands book and utilise the 2 years we have to wait to contruct as much as possible not waste days at a time unless they are going to overturn the democratic vote.

    Wouldn’t surprise me but then the democracy can be considered to have failed in the UK and rule of the mob resides.

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  11. Please, please let it be true:

    Natalie Rowe, aka Miss Whiplash, who ran an escort agency called Black Beauties, claims George Osborne had a kinky fetish for getting on all fours and being spanked until he barked like a dog.
    In her book she writes: “Eventually we reached the stage where George put on a dog collar, got on all fours and became my little dog. I’d command him to bark and pant as he crawled round the room.”
    She went on: “If he wasn’t barking enough, he’d get a paddle on the bottom. He liked being submissive, it seemed to me.”
    Now George Osborne is facing more misery as the former madam threatens to spill more dirt about their past
    The Big Brother evictee claims she has embarrassing pics she was saving until Osbo’ was PM.
    She told the Daily Star Sunday: “I was waiting for him to try to become prime minister then I was going to release two more pictures.
    “Let him try to become PM and see what happens. He knows what the pictures are.”

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  12. Re TTIP – maybe a glimmer of hope here: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/06/u-n-s-legal-expert-calls-proposed-trade-deals-illegal.html This starts off with:

    “Alfred de Zayas, the U.N.’s Independent Expert on the Promotion of a Democratic and Equitable International Order, is assigned the task to apply the standards of international law to proposed treaties, to determine whether they’re in accord with international law. On Friday, June 24th, he issued his finding on three large proposed treaties regarding international trade among Atlantic countries: TTIP, TISA, and CETA. Earlier, on February 2nd, he had issued a similar finding on the proposed TPP treaty between Pacific countries, and his conclusion there was the same: that the proposed treaty violates international laws, and is inconsistent with democracy.

    His finding regarding the proposed Atlantic treaties condemned them by saying: “Trade deals prepared and negotiated in secret, excluding key stakeholders such as labour unions, consumer associations, health professionals and environmental experts and now parliaments, have zero democratic legitimacy.” This describes all of U.S. President Barack Obama’s proposed treaties on trade: TPP, TTIP, and TISA, and it also includes CETA, which is the proposed treaty between the EU and Canada.”

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  13. The EU bugle is still sounding off in our ear, lord knows how embedded it is. It could be many years of subversive propaganda in store, telling us how rubbish we are, how out of touch we are, how we have no respek for the wisdom of da yoof.

    Call me old fashioned, but Ive always believed it was adults who made the important decisions, because they know best? Like all the best fascist regimes, it has a fixation on yoof. Which could explain the increase in number of universities, loose entry requirements and the expansion of the number of course to include the preposterous.

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  14. Magnum
    no-one can ‘afford’ anything any more. No amount of money printing will make any difference. That is why a government should tax the businesses in its jurisdiction. The UK refuses to, the Americans refuse to, allowing their corporations to get away with massive profits and miniscule tax bills. If the UK had Germany’s tax rate for businesses, there would be no problem with a deficit, would there? (The Brits would need to tighten up their fiscal regime as well, so that inland off-shoring wasn’t allowed…)

    Tomorrow we will start to see where the bodies are buried in the global Ponzi scheme That is how the big, powerful people keep Westminster in line. Knowing that Osborne likes barking like a dog means nothing: it’s when a person tells him that his malfeasance will be put as evidence in a criminal court case is when he really grovels and licks the boots of those in charge.

    And Deutsche Bank is sitting on the biggest pile of derivatives of them all….

    So the mainstream media keeps telling us… yet time and time again, I have to remind people that most of Deutsche’s derivatives are held in the UK where the regulations do not exist. I really do wish people would wake up to the machinations of the Americans.

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  15. It’s sure a good thing that ‘social meeja’ wasn’t around when Goebbels was!

    @Gemma. Young people don’t think things through. They weren’t programmed in that manner.

    Let’s face it, we are living in a time and space where a mental asylum encapsulates a greater degree of sanity.

    Tomorrow, ‘They’ will seek by any and all means to recoup what ‘They’ lost (in disbelief) on the UK referendum result.

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  16. Chris – the young of today weren’t programmed, but then, Goebbels would have been delighted by that fact…

    … the young of Germany are trained to think. And it shows.

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  17. I’m not sure if the 36% turn out of 18-25 year olds voting is wholly accurate but it seems to be the best indicator we have just now. It’ soooo unfair, this democracy thing. You have to actually go and and vote to have an impact. Bit old fashioned compared to sending tweets and posting on Facebook but there you go.

    The other thing about democracy is that sometimes it produces a result you don’t like. I used to moan that my son’s school used to allow students multiple resits if they failed a paper. Real world not like that. Maybe every time there is an election I don’t like (ie no 75% turnout) then we have a re-run?

    I read also that every borough with more than 30% of voters not born in the UK voted to remain. Maybe I should be astonished here, but why do all these people have a vote? And why should they – as opposed to UK citizens abroad who were often denied a say – have influence on MY country’s future. I chose to live in La Belle France and one of the rules is I don’t vote here. I don’t like it but knew that coming in. I accept it.

    All I’m saying is that once you start looking at this you can find areas which are “soooo unfair”, but the rules of the vote were agreed and the result has to stand. It is too late now anyway, the genie is out of the bottle and we all have to make the best of it.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/how-did-different-demographic-groups-vote-eu-referendum

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  18. At last some people are waking up to the real issues. How anyone thought that the establishment players in the Vote Leave campaign somehow represented those who voted out is beyond me. Naive doesn’t even cover it. They lied, fed us propaganda, pushed all the buttons for what? In the end, does anyone really believe They will follow through? When was the last time a politician promised something and actually delivered? Cameron has played a blinder….this, at least, shows that someone gets it even if those still sore at the outcome seem to think it plays into their hands.

    Thank God for the Internet otherwise these questions would not have arisen. The biggest question is, where do we go from here?

    From the guardians comments section:

    If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

    Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

    With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

    How?

    Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

    And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten … the list grew and grew.

    The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

    The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

    Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

    Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

    If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over – Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession … broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

    The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

    When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was “never”. When Michael Gove went on and on about “informal negotiations” … why? why not the formal ones straight away? … he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

    All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

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  19. Wow..@Gemma. Do you really, sincerely believe that corporations paying tax will somehow make a difference? Even taxing all the richest in the world at 100% won’t make a ha’penny’s worth of difference. It’s gone well beyond that. And even if it did, how long for? Are you trying to suggest that the world’s wealth somehow is greater that $555 trillion, because I would suggest you live on another planet to the one I’m living on. Even for those that say it will all net down, how do we pay off the $270 trillion of ‘official’ debt with a global income of $78 trillion. Don’t know about you but if my debt was nearly 5 times my income I think I would be bankrupt and the bailiffs would be at the door, just like they are in Greece.

    It doesn’t matter where the derivatives are held it is still a big stinking pile of poo that is just about to collapse. Sorry, if that offends you but perhaps if you looked a little bit closer, instead of just holding your nose and hoping for the best, you’d run away screaming! This is one thing a bit of ‘air freshener’ won’t get rid of.

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  20. Magnum

    “Do you really, sincerely believe that corporations paying tax will somehow make a difference? Even taxing all the richest in the world at 100% won’t make a ha’penny’s worth of difference. It’s gone well beyond that.”

    I wasn’t talking about the tiny minority of people who earn fabulous amounts of money. I was speaking about businesses who ought to be paying taxes.

    Now I know this is a foreign concept to those living in the UK, where businesses shipped out to China decades ago. Here in Europe, many businesses have little choice but to pay their dues. It makes all the difference to the way in which a government is able to pay its way in the world.

    Just because the media know nothing about such things doesn’t mean that it can’t exist.

    Magnum, if what you say is true, Britain doens’t have long, does it? But then, “Don’t know about you but if my debt was nearly 5 times my income I think I would be bankrupt and the bailiffs would be at the door, just like they are in Greece.” A country who used that money to invest in useful. productive businesses has a chance of being able to pay that money back. It’s how sensible businesses are run. But then, Americans know little of that, and don’t let that kind of nonsense be spoken of in the media… Americans understand how to gamble on the stockmarket and have the power to tell people it’s how ot make money…

    Put simply: if Greece’s money had been invested in proper businesses, they would have far less problems than they have today. The same is true for the UK.

    Think of it this way: if a person thinking about buying a house needed to stump up 16% of the price to get themselves a mortgage, Britain would be in trouble. Because that is what 5x one’s income would mean. Some mortages have only a 5% deposit… that’s 20x the person’s stake in the investment.

    The point I want to make is that it is possible to pay such money back, as long as the investments made with that money were sensible.

    And yes, you are right about the derivatives – they will leave a nasty stain whether they’re held on Wall Street (where most of the world’s derivatives are held) or in London. The crash of 2007 was entirely due to US banks saying that they would not comply with the terms and conditions of the securities they had signed for.

    It’s what we pay our taxes for, isn’t it? To be defrauded by the banks… the very people who should be making sensible investments.

    And aren’t.

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  21. OK John since you were kind enough to respond to my points over the last two posts, I’ll put aside your gallant offer to stop Wall St and Murdoch take over the country (you are brave though), and ask the following: what do you expect to happen to the UK (Scots et al) now, and do you care?

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  22. It will be interesting to see what the markets do tomorrow morning, I suspect, that there will be carnage, because of Brexit? No, FFS, it’s an opportunity to make money, Brexit is a good excuse to do just that, and isn’t that the bottom line everywhere?
    And, Gemma, on the money as always.

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  23. @Magnum; is still a big stinking pile of poo that is just about to collapse.
    Do you really believe that they will allow that to happen? I, for one, don’t, I might be wrong.

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  24. @ alexei
    June 26, 2016 at 5:54 pm
    We’re checking this petition

    5 people have already supported Billy. H’s petition.

    We need to check it meets the petition standards before we publish it.

    Please try again in a few days.
    Hmph I’ll be back later

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  25. You gota love the last few days it’s the most fun the people have had since we lopped off Charles I ‘s head.
    The level of delusion being displayed by the political class and their sycophantic press and TV pundits had been as good as Faulty towers for comic value. The labour MP’s are trying to promote the removal of Corbyn and his replacement with one of the nobodies who were handed their arses by the electorate in 2015 as part of the Milliband team. The SNP want independence from Westminster but dependence on the EU in-spite of the fact that they have not refined the economic policies that failed the last time . Ukip not sure where they go, try and become a main stream party. The Tories , can the cabinet people who were for remain really stand for the leadership, if they attacked old Gorgon Brown for not being elected PM can any of them now do the same. So do we get an election again? in October with maybe another coalition government?. Did anyone see the Lib Dems at any time during the referendum campaign.
    A while back I posted somewhere that after the referendum the room will look like the after effects of an SAS raid with dead and dying everywhere, it’s turned out an even bigger mess than that. The funny thing is that still the political classes have failed to grasp that in the words from Flower of Scotland the electorate have ” sent them homeward to think again ” but most of them are so second rate they are failing to grasp the fact.

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  26. My mole in the great divided nation of Blighty says “The sky is falling the sky is falling”. Loopy libs and millennials pause from their self-absorbed twitterings and granny bashing to seek out European looking folk so they can apologise. APOLOGISE mind you! Oh you guys, thanks for giving those of us who live in the colonies a great diversion from our own forthcoming elections. .

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  27. Gemma. I agree with you regarding German youth, although I don’t believe that their training inculcates an enquiring mind – to think outside the box, so to speak.

    Perhaps I am wrong.

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  28. Chris,

    the mainstream education doesn’t include any form of training for thinking outside the box. A few still slip through, though, and on the whole, I find the percentage of “live” thinkers to be well in excess of the levels in the UK.

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  29. What’s your thoughts on the reported MP revolt to defy the result and force a 2nd referendum….or just ignore it outright.

    That bastard Hestletine is now behind it and gaining backers. Surely if this happens it’s time for some serious direct action that will make the London riots look like a teddy bears picnic?

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  30. Just heard David Lammy on BBC World Service saying “we can’t accept the result because it’s mob rule”. Uh? Then doesn’t that apply also to ordinary elections? How does he think he became an MP? By divine appointment? No wonder he likes the EU!!! He went on to describe the result as “the tyranny of rule by the majority”. Someone should take him into a quiet room and gently explain what country he’s in,

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  31. Alexei,

    the powers controlling Britain are used to getting their way; MPs are there to be told how to vote and the votes are duly cast and the result is the desired one. They also have the power to influence the choice of who becomes an MP in the first place.

    Someone needs to take a few Brits to a secluded place and patiently explain to them who bought the country they live in.

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  32. Perhaps in the column of ‘a good time to slip out bad news’, yesterdays’ Sunday Times had a small article about how HMRC has agreed to let US multinationals not pay UK tax, because they can pay less elsewhere. They can book sales in the UK and pay taxes in Luxembourg, or wherever.

    I trust that now the Googles of the world don’t pay tax, they no longer have the right to speak to UK officials, lobby in any way whatsoever etc.

    Since everyone else has to pay for those officials, they should be THEIR officials, working for their interests. NOT Google’s officials, working for Google’s interests.

    Oh, and Bill Gates was doing exactly the same apparently…..

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  33. Lets get this straight shall we.
    The kids of today have been propagandized for over 20 years with garbage trotted out by the PC brigade in their schools and campuses.
    Distortions lies and pure propaganda is the order of the day.

    I on the other hand are old enough to remember, although born after the war, remember the stories from my father who was not so lucky.
    Ripped from a quiet English village at 17 he was in India in the air force at 18 seeing poverty death and destruction and insanity in a smouldering filthy city of millions crammed together like crushed sardines with death and danger never leaving for one second.

    He saw the corruption, the lies and felt it first hand from the air force, his superiors there and the callous uncaring attitudes, to the top of the vile machine that allowed it ll to happen.
    Pensioners, not to put too fine a point on it have experience and memories of the effects it had on their parents and grandparents and do not forget why they died whether in the trenches, blown out of the skies, drowned at sea, or just by way of a V1 or V2 bomb dropping on their house.

    They fought to keep British sovereignty and the sovereignty inside the borders and shores of the UK.
    And not to hand over to the Fascist Brussels on a whim to ensure the bankers got a bonus this year.
    And it is high time younger people realized that they exist because of that and the crap spouted by the likes of Snow to the snowflakes was stopped.

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