VICTORY: But we won the first battle, not the war

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CAMERON QUITS AS CORBYN FACES ALL-OUT REBELLION: THE ESTABLISHMENT IS ALREADY FIGHTING BACK

mesnipThe man who 72 hours ago said he had no plans to resign in the event of a Leave victory had his plans redrawn for him overnight. David Cameron has gone. Jeremy Corbyn – the man who never looked happy in his Remain role – is now in turn facing a massive backlash from the Party High Priests he turfed out of the Temple last year. If any Brexiteers imagine their victory is a done deal, they need to wake up and stay vigilant: between now and July 31st 2018, anything could happen…and every dirty trick will be tried.


Pardon me if I dismiss David Cameron’s resignation speech as just another in a long line of dissembling exercises in self justification. “This was an important decision and that is why I felt we must put it to a Referendum”. Bollocks: Cameron was forced into it by his own back-benchers, and UKIP’s meteoric rise in popularity. Six years ago, he dismissed UKIP Leavers as “BNP lite”. The last thing anyone in Camerlot wanted was a referendum.

But Brexiteers celebrating a famous victory need to pay attention: Cameron says he will stay on for three months and then hand over to someone who can “decide when to trip Article 50” (the giving of notice to Brussels) and start “negotiations with the EU to quit”.

That takes us to the end of September 2016. And for some reason, “negotiations” are mentioned.

“The will of the British People must be obeyed in full” says the man who tried not to let us have a say at all. Why cannot he now immediately send Brussels notice to resign from the EU, and what’s to negotiate? Surely having given notice, two sets of officials need to liaise on the procedural arrangements.

By all means let the trade officials on both sides discuss what comes next, but we must not start from any kind of ‘Waspi Executive’ style of approach: the Brussels/Frankfurt bluff has been called, and now the EU faces a double-whammy of disaster: the departure of a net contributor with a trade deficit, and the unleashing of freedom contagion. We are not starting from a position of weakness here. We are not Greece – over a barrel and about to be rolled over. We should tell the EC/ECB/Eurogroupe axis what we expect….and then let them stew over their response.


In that context, I invite Brexiteers to watch (and listen carefully to) Boris Johnson’s statement of this morning, in which he dismissed any need “for haste”, and saw no reason “to invoke Article 50”. That seems to be an extraordinarily odd thing to say in the Hour of Victory. The 2007 Lisbon Treaty Article 50 makes it clear that

A government must trigger the article by officially notifying the EU of its intention to leave. There will then be a two-year period in which the terms of the leaver’s exit are negotiated.

During this time Britain would no longer be able to take part in any EU decision-making, and any exit agreements would have to be approved by all 27 remaining EU nations and the European Parliament. Then after Britain’s formal exit, fresh negotiations can begin on any new trade deals.

Excuse me, but how can we leave the EU without invoking Article 50? I do not see two years of transition followed by the need to get the approval of ‘all remaining EU nations’, in turn followed by ‘fresh negotiation’ on trade deals as “haste”.

As even the pro-EU Independent admits, ‘The Treaty of Lisbon was drafted with the idea that [Article 50] would not be used, and to make it pretty hard to exit in a smooth way’. This morning, EU/EC sources have been quick to say that they want a clean break and a “minimal period of uncertainty”.

Do we perhaps detect Boris already being slippery about what’s really going to happen? Remember: Brexit was a vote to get away from the very Wall Street, London City, Big Media, TTIP and global bloc model within which Johnson has his strongest allies.


Meanwhile, across the Commons corridor of separational illusion, Jeremy Corbyn stands condemned as the man who damned the EU with faint praise. Already, the middle-class Labour Party has decided that this time, there will be no follow-my-leader-no-matter-how-inept syndrome.

Kate Hoey was at pains to point out over a week ago that Corbyn is in reality a bloke who harbours deep suspicions about the EU’s loyalty to the ordinary working citizen. But Blair-Brown Labour suffered no such reservations….and now it has the rationale it needs for revenge upon the man who (they think) has put their seats at risk by making them unelectably radical….while daring to have inner doubts about their beloved Snow White European Union.

Thus far, Mr Corbyn has had to concede one compromise after another in order to hold the Party together. Now he faces the wrath of not just cynical Big Beast MPs, but also the sanctimony of activists who value few things more than the EU they’re so keen to reform from the inside. Happy to have accepted the sharing of bed linen and bodily fluids with everyone they claim to loathe during the campaign – and having now lost the argument – the Labour grassroots is become a scapegoat-seeking missile.

I would submit that the most likely winner in this scenario is one Yvette Cooper – a passionate Remaindeer.


Boris Johnson is the bookies’ favourite to replace David Cameron; but those same bookies yesterday bet on Remain….and were wrong. I doubt if BoJo is the Tory PP’s choice to succeed Cameldung. Similarly, while I see Yvette Cooper as a shoo-in, others think Andy Burnham the stronger candidate.

My point is this: as I predicted some time ago, the immediate aftermath of a Vote Leave win will be chaotic domestic politics in Britain….not to mention the frustration in Scotland, where there was a large SNP-driven majority to Remain.

All such headline-hugging political bunfights are bound to distract from any EC, US State Department, Berlin, Brussels and Frankfurt plans to dilute and then nullify this British victory of the Citizen over the élites.

Be vigilant. It is way too early to relax.

75 thoughts on “VICTORY: But we won the first battle, not the war

  1. JW. The bible on a viable plan to leave is Richard Norths Flexcit which likely will be used by the civil service mandarins (i know they are aware of it). I attach a condensed version for your perusal but in essence at no stage should there be a rush to complete process (note not a single stage action) and we will need negotiators. Cheers to all, onwards and upwards
    http://www.eureferendum.com/themarketsolution.pdf

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  2. Well clearly 52% of the UK population are under-educated aged racists who should not have been given the vote in the first place as clearly they did not understand the issues. It would only be in their interests for their mistake to be rectified.

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  3. Boris is a chancer, he spoke of wanting immigration only two days ago and was an advocate for Turkeys admission to the EU, this has always been about Boris getting into No10, vigilance doesn’t even come into it with this lot.
    The likes of Soubry has been doing the rounds condemning the result and doing the country down in the process, this woman is a public servant if she does not want to do her job because the wrong people voted then she should be thrown out of office, we need people in place who will acknowledge the result and work for the best result in leaving the EU, no backsliding no perhaps just do the job as the will of the referendum demands.

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  4. Nice that CArney told the city of London there was 250bn up for grabs……drinks all round.

    It certainly ain’t over till the fat lady sings…let the real shenanigans begin.

    Maybe we can one or more votes until we get the answer Brussels wants.

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  5. Westminster needs delousing, to many parasites who have no interest in making the new reality work. The contents of Westminster were always beholden to the EU, career politicians galore, its the valhalla where Politicians go to die, very rich, for being ass hats.

    To trust those who wanted us to stay with negotiations is ridiculous, Bozo doesnt cut it for me. Farage perhaps? At least he seems to in tune with how people feel and perhaps what they want? Everyone else, including the hilarious BBC last night seem to inhabit another planet, nay another dimension.

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  6. The drop in the Pound is the reason Boris is going slow. A little calmness at this time is called for. If your government doesn’t invoke article 50 by the end of the year you will have a problem, but not now.

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  7. Looking at European banking stocks like Deutsche Bank taking a tanking I can see Brexit negotiations being the least of Brussels worries.

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  8. Have no fear we have Hunt-not-elbow protecting the NHS! Maybe that young Jacob Rees Mogg 47 1/2 going on 78 will have a job of work to do?

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  9. A little caution is sensible for now. Let us see what happens in the EU for a few weeks. Negotiations need to be conducted in a calm atmosphere by cool heads. Soon will be soon enough. Obfuscation or a reReferendum based on ‘events’ will not be acceptable to those who voted Leave or to those who voted Remain but still expect the will of the people to be obeyed.

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  10. I maybe being a bit just cynical but Cameron, the media and Boris the Brexit’eers made this primarily about immigration.

    To my mind this shows the fix was in. Wait for Brussels henchmen promise the earth to England especially with regards to immigration concessions.

    Brexit will not happen……

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  11. Does this mean that London is so deep in it that their world is down to Boris doing right by them? Doesn’t exit mean the London banking hive must/will be protected now at all costs, in the face of devaluation and rentiers getting the vapors and brain fever?
    Boris will have a serious campaign warchest financed by Yellen.

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  12. When Donald Trump is elected, we’ll have a powerful pro-UK transatlantic friend, so that should help against any dirty tricks by the EUnatics.

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  13. @ failedevolution – there seems to be so much the Left doesn’t understand (on the surface) but there again, we’re given to understand that in the end it doesn’t much matter who you vote for since you end up being governed by the same ‘shadow’ interests.

    There’s a new petition starting on Change.org for Proportional Representation. Unfortunately, like the previous one, they’re still addressing it to Cameron, who’s unlikely at this stage to give it a second thought.

    https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-reform-our-voting-system-to-make-it-fair-and-representative-makeseatsmatchvotes/u/17043701?tk=bu3QC7_9aM1UiLDEKXTzN4I0IztVaIU9t5JOgYIS4FU&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email

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  14. I’m waiting until the result of the Spanish general election this Sunday. That may give an indication about any contagion. I expect the EU apparatchiks are running around trying to contain things at the moment. Next week’s EU Council meeting DC mentioned in his speech will be interesting. No doubt he’ll get a slapped wrist for such a poor performance and told how to make us vote again or keep us in. Unless they really do want to get rid of the thorn in their side, then it’s goodbye, au revoir, Auf wiedesein pet!

    Deferring the decision until a new PM is appointed is a typical political trick, giving TPTB some breathing space. There’s already a petition for a 2nd vote though as a future rule change based on less than 75% turnout. How convenient, when the official turnout is 72%! And people not knowing that the result is not legally binding. DC’s ‘capitulation’ could still be legally challenged. As JW says we need to be vigilant as I see this being kicked into the long grass if we’re not careful.

    Oh, and BTW, anyone else notice that all the central bankers met today in Basle for their bi-monthly meeting, in secret of course. Wonder what they’ll do next. And where exactly has Carney got £250 billion from? Why now and not before if it is that easy. Oops, sorry I forgot, it’s just a number on the computer and we, the taxpayer, will be on the hook for it.

    Brexit is a process, not an event. This is the first shot across the bow. Or maybe the first domino to fall. Maybe a ‘black swan event’….choose your own favourite metaphor. The key thing is change is coming. What no-one knows is what shape it will take or what effect it will have on anything.

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  15. Similarly, while I see Yvette Cooper as a shoo-in, others think Andy Burnham the stronger candidate.

    Won’t happen, the membership won’t stand for it and what remains of their core electorate will be driven into the arms of UKIP.
    Any move against Corbyn will be political suicide.

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  16. An interesting situation in Denmark arising from Brexit –
    Lars Loekke Rasmussen, the Danish prime minister :- ““We belong to the EU and I am not operating on [the belief] that we should have a referendum on that basic question,”
    However, Kristian Thulesen Dahl, leader of the anti-immigration Danish People’s Party [DF], which has MORE seats in the country’s parliament that the ruling Liberal Party, said that Britain’s vote showed that the European Union had “completely underestimated people’s scepticism”.“I believe that the Danes should of course also have a referendum on whether we want to follow Britain or keep things as they are now,” he said.
    His call was echoed by the socialist Red Green Alliance, which wants a referendum on the Danish constitution, and in Sweden by both the Left Party and the anti-immigrant Sweden Democrats.

    How tenable can it be politically for Denmark to continue to be governed by a minority government? It’s as if UKIP had actually won more seats than the Tories but the Tories continued to rule in spite of the country’s choice …… How long will the fairly law-abiding, even-tempered Danes put up with this?

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  17. BJ’s comment that there was no hurry stood out. The questions remain … did the Government fix it so that Vote Leave were the official (very official) opposition and was BJ actually working for the Remain camp? Remember many of his early contributions were bizarre and incredible. The person who took the flak from Cameron was Michael Gove, probably because he was acting in good faith and therefore making a credible contribution.

    Personally, I think BJ is too divisive and has not built up a network of support in the Parliamentary Party. Gove has been a far more impressive debater. Then there is Theresa May who wisely didn’t put her head on the line.

    As for Labour, it is obvious to anyone outside the Labour Party what they SHOULD do: re-connect with their working class base outside London. To this end, Burnham might be a good if uninspiring choice for leader. What they WILL do, however, is anyone’s guess. The Labour Party are the mirror image of the EU elite. They assume that they represent the majority of the population. Whenever they fail to get elected, they conclude that the electorate was wrong. And they are in an existential crisis. What happened to them in Scotland in 2015 could happen to them in England in 2020.

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  18. A campaign to have Article 50 implemented ASAP is required, otherwise there will be much ducking and diving to avoid real Brexit.
    There is panic in the seats of power,Strike while we have momentum, otherwise there will be much obfuscation and maneouvering to nullify the peoples decision.
    The EU is a schlerotic bureaucracy, but cunning. They will play for time to organise anti-Brexit tactics.
    Fear of contagion is their main nightmare. When a structure is crumbling ,kick it in the goolies to hasten the collapse.
    We have had our share of kickings from the EU.

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  19. @DomesticExtremist

    How could that Yvette Cooper thing be leader of a independent UK seeking a new path in world?

    It doesnt make sense. None of them make sense, the place is infested.

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  20. I’m always inclined to give BoJo the benefit, especially where Cameron is concerned.
    There’s likely to be a sticky wicket of 3 months duration, between the stumps of failure and the boundary of success ;-)
    The best start for a new incumbent would be to initiate Clause 50.
    So play it down, make like a timid thing, silently, on national shhhh day.

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  21. @ PeterC. Why give Bojo the benefit? The electorate are hardly in love with OEs!.CMD could not even get an absolute majority in 2010 against the rightly despised Gordon Brown. In 2015, he won narrowly thanks to UKIP in the north, whose votes, together with further Labour defectors caused him to lose the referendum. If the Tories want to win the next GE, the boy from Aberdeen who has got where he is, solely by merit, is the only choice.

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  22. If any of the wild life lovers out there are interested in seeing that very rare beast, the blue arsed baboon flying around, there are a troop of them racing around in the the EU parliament building.

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  23. @ marcjf :Fed up of being portrayed as an elderly, knuckle dragging, skin head racist NVE potential murderer, of low intelligence. I am minded of a football chant I think.

    Nobody likes us
    Everbody hates us
    WE DON’T CARE.

    Of course John is spot on. This is only the beginning and there are wheels within wheels. The despised ordinary folk have flipped a finger at the global corperatist elite but when has the will of the people meant much to them. Dirty tricks on the way. Never Give UP!

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  24. Mr Ward is absolutely correct with his call for vigilance and being watchful for procrastination and obfuscation. Delay can work both ways though, with Spanish elections, another Greek reach-around, French and German elections all due to take place within the two-year Brexit negotiation timetable, not to mention loud calls in the Netherlands and Denmark for their own plebiscites, one (optimistically perhaps) wonders if the EU will survive in a format that allows it to conduct any meaningful negotiations.

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  25. Have I in my retirement spent to much time on conspiracy theories , come with me , first an explanation, a dark matter operation is a secret aim lying beneath the surface of another event used to cover for the dark matter operation. So having seen Labour all but destroyed in Scotland after the indy referendum because labour campaigned with the Tories and picked up all their toxicity, the Tories think to them selves that might work in England. So Cameron makes a stupid promise for a referendum in 2017, then interestingly brings it forward a year. Anyway they figure Labour have to campaign for remain with a section of the Tories , who feign a spilt to draw Labour into the campaign for remain. The result is irrelevant really, in or out the Tories figure they can make money out of this but way more importantly they have damaged maybe irreparably the Labour party both in Scotland and England. Then they manipulate the electoral collage by boundary changes and excluding numbers of young voters by redrawing the electoral register and you could have almost have one party rule for years under FPTP. Cameron will make way for some one else , he was due to go anyway probably next year , so he’ll be off on the lecture circuit and a cushy job in the city at 10 times his current salary. Labour will go into melt down , that’s already started, they will probably never get Scotland back and their natural electorate have all but disappeared and they seem to have no idea where to go next.
    UKIP have no further aim or use, they have what they want , and Scotland will be ignored as usual.

    Final word to Sturgeon, indy ref2 north of the border has gone also , by the time you get the legality of a new referendum sorted out , the UK will have invoked article 50 so if you managed to get a majority this time for independance, you really would have to re-negotiate EU entry as a new entry , with all that involves including the Euro as currency this time. You will not be able to say like you did the last time we’ll just use the UK terms and conditions and keep the pound.

    So the Tories have it all “, King, Cawdor , Glamis, all, as the weird women promised and I fear they play’dst most foully for it” .

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  26. Unexpected Consequences and “Friendly fire!?”
    I was born in UK (Northern Ireland), studied in Dublin (including summer student work in France – 4 months and USA 2 months). I then worked in London for 5 years and Paris for 5 years and now Dublin for more than 30 years.
    Both my parents and parents-in-law were born before the partition of Ireland (thanks Westminster).
    I have experienced borders on a daily basis growing up.
    The Single European Act effectively ended the physical borders.
    The notion of a United Ireland is of little real relevance to most people of Ireland. Politcians will continue to mouth off about it especially Sinn Féin/IRA who lost “the war” and were dragged into talks by John Hume and Irish/N Irish/UK/US governments.

    The Brexit vote – Thanks England and Wales – in reality re-introduces Partition and a “hard border” back into Ireland.
    The Democratic Unionist Party (Iain Paisley’s party), are delighted, they love borders.
    I have stood at hard borders, eg EU/Spain border in Ceuta in North Africa.
    Also , San Diego/Tijuana in S California another hard border USA/Mexico.
    They are not pretty sights, especially for people who live in their shadow all the time.
    The thought of this kind of border returning to Ireland fills me with despair.

    I agree with most of the concerns of the Leavers with regards to EU over reach and excess bureaucracy but how would those who live in England or Wales like a ‘hard border’ along the Severn or Trent or Mersey or Tyne or Humber or Thames?
    Unthinkable I’d imagine.

    I sincerely hope those involved in unplugging the UK from the EU have a bit of perspective in their task over the next two years.

    With the prospect of PM Boris and Président Marine Le Pen and President Donald Trump on the horizon
    I don’t know where to look.

    John is right, it’s not over but they need to proceed with extreme care.
    We have enough borders already!
    Gerard

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  27. Yesterday was the hardest decision I have ever made and expect ever to make again in my life. Made harder by no truthfulness in both camps. BREMAIN lied their socks off but their supporters will not admit it and even BREXIT hyped all the fear of the “existing issues of old” to try to coerce a favourable outcome.

    Going to have a break from this now because I can’t be bothered to speak to deaf BREMAIN and BREXIT supporters no more both are 2 seperate components of a broken democratic machine. After decades of broken democratic rule, the machine was turned on but they do not understand what happened … or what it is for … they really don’t.

    The goal is to debate (both avoided that), then vote on how you see it and right or wrong is not the issue here, then you accept the outcome no matter the result democracy is complete. Sure you may be disappointed if it did not go your way … I was, thinking the BREMAIN camp had sold out democracy a cornerstone of a civilised society.

    The fix was in though … everyone will go whoah why? The MSM propoganda machine was working overtime to generate the image of just a BREMAIN win. Me, Farage and many others felt or had an inkling BREMAIN was going to be the only runner in this one horse race. I went to sleep resigned to the fact the fix was in and the outcome foregone.

    LMFAO – THEY MISUNDERESTIMATED THE GAP, IT WAS WAY TO BIG THAT EVEN WITH THE FIX IT WAS NEVER ENOUGH.

    We got lucky this time, real lucky there will be no second chance. From what I feel I have seen and experienced it crossed many nations too, the global MSM was defining a BREMAIN outcome to prevent the BREXIT. We need to revisit our voting system if we wish to retain our democracy for much longer. This was a warning a big warning we are under attack.

    Paranoid … nope calling it for what I feel transpired. Well who else felt BREXIT was lost? Now it makes sense why they don’t know what to do, they knew or so they thought it was a BREMAIN … article 50 now stuff the crap we won even with all odds against us.

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  28. Regarding the scope for parliament to ignore the referendum,result:

    One of my earliest political memories dates to when I was 7 or 8 in the mid 70’s. It was an on location interview with a man who was being asked who he would vote for in the general election. I can’t remember which party he favoured but he said he would vote for them because they’d promised to reduce the tax on tobacco. It’s stuck with me because even at that age I thought it was a little thing to affect a big decision.

    Of course we all look after our own interests but hopefully they are deeper than a packet of ‘ready rubbed Condor’ – however……..

    Coming up to date natural self interest & preservation is still there of course & once the novelty of sticking two fingers up to the EU/bankers/Cameron/immigrants et al has worn off the higher prices of imports, fuel, holidays etc will remain. In addition I don’t think many who voted ‘leave’ also wanted to break up the union. The lasting pleasure of shrugging off a dictatorship doesn’t seem to appear on their radar. Many such voters will end up suffering a post referendum hangover – one which many here may consider worth bearing but my earliest political memory always reminds me how thin the veneer of ‘principle’ can be.

    After a period of softening up by raised prices, no (perceived) tangible benefits, the prospect of 2 years of uncertainties plus the possible start of job losses – the rejection of the referendum result by parliament on the back of the offer of a few more concessions by the EU would likely be accepted without no more than verbal discord by many who voted ‘leave’.

    The prospect that there would be some sort of popular uprising in that event is very slim to say the least. Almost half the electorate would welcome the change of heart (if not the method of achieving it) – add to them those who will have changed their mind under duress. Additionally many/most of those who voted ‘leave’ are not the ‘uprising’ type no matter how annoyed (despite brave statements).

    I’m not at all supporting this possible course of action by the government/EU but sadly I do think they could get away with it.

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  29. @Anonymous.
    Why would hard borders start being implemented in Ireland now. What for?
    Hard borders were for protection and control of people moving between north and the Republic. The war is over. Nothing changes.

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  30. @Grimlock
    The problem is not today or tomorrow but at the end of the two years…
    The current land border around part of Ulster which currently divides UK/Republic of Ireland is 499km or 310 miles.
    This excludes about 50+ miles of sea border in Lough Foyle and Carlingford Lough, never mind the 200 mile territorial range into the seas.
    As there is currently free movement of EU citizens into Ireland and the Common Travel Area between UK and Ireland
    (since the 1920s, I think) I assume this will be reconsidered in the two year period.
    Should we be watching the FTSE share prices of barbed wire and razor wire suppliers?
    Gerard

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  31. Not interested in any high faluting excuses for foot dragging, we won and the time to start the wheels in motion is now. Failing that it will have all been for nothing.

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  32. John, you are the ONLY Brexiteer who I have seen put forward a compelling and thoughtful argument as to why the UK should leave. Now it has happened do you have any expectation that whoever succeeds Cameron will be remotely up to the sizeable task in hand? I’m very worried about what the future holds. Among the political class, there have been no admirable, principled proponents of either side of the argument that I’m aware of. Boris appears to be shitting himself – I don’t think he really believed Leave would win – is the future anything other than bleak? Please cheer me up.

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  33. Tonite I spilling my beers on my newspaper with some news about BREXIT and laughingly too loud.
    In Germany we saying – when the gods wanting to punishing the fool they answering simply his prayers.
    5 years ago time – UK kaput. Final kaput.

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  34. For Bozo job jobbed. Dave’s resigning and he thinks he has the job as PM. Yes his statement that article 50 should not be invoked was strange. He thinks that when he becomes PM he can negotiate some super deal for the City and keep the UK in the EU through a parliamentary vote.

    I’m not sure Yvette Cooper would be a very successful leader of Labour. She illustrates the new political division we have in politics. Technocrats V Democracy. Not Left V Right.

    My hunch is that there are a lot of brown trousers in the brexit camp at the moment so staying may still be an option. However, if we do not leave there could be some serious social dis order.

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  35. Here is an interesting quote from the Guardian:
    “He has everything he ever wanted. It’s just that somehow, as he fought his way through booing crowds on his Islington doorstep before holding an uncharacteristically subdued press conference on Friday morning, it didn’t really look that way. ”

    The guy seems to be the political fraud we always thought he was. Yes he is shitting himself. He can’t be trusted as a PM that is for sure.

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  36. Surely Yvette Cooper will be a passionate ‘Remain, Dear!’ when ordering her husband to do the babysitting as she dreams of being a greater Prime Minister than Margaret Thatcher?! LOL…………

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  37. Umm.
    So I’ve read the Guardian and Financial Times for their “no haste” entries, seen Boris’s measured and sombre Leave victory press announcement, with the nodding head shadow at his left hand side.
    Saw the Islington lynch mob giving the guy a gob full as he and thirty bobbies walked to his taxi.
    Thinking for myself, now I am left wondering, why all of a sudden is there all this vicious Boris hate going down.
    WTF did this particularly well qualified shit do, in order to deserve this weird backlash?
    I see nothing, except media manipulation and rent-a-mob.
    There are cogs within cogs. Johnson has no influence beyond what he might achieve if he assumed PM status.
    This chap has an independent brain as well as a hair do. He has political momentum. Cameron had nothing to offer except to block the position of influence.
    The US tried to f him over with the income tax issue while he was the Mayor of London.
    Think.

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  38. In my opinion, actually the biggest single question right now Mr Ward is whether there is an irrevocable break-down of trust between the two major Parliamentary Parties and the ordinary voters who voted “Leave’.

    When you look at the strength of the Leave vote in the NE Labour Heartlands, against the express orders of the Party Gauleiters, you wonder whether they have given up on the Labour Party for good, just as the Scots gave up on Labour for the SNP. The same can be said in the West Midlands (outside of Birmingham itself), much of Yorkshire (outside of Leeds and York). And amazingly, all of South Wales outside Cardiff……

    Labour may become reduced to a Metropolitan rump in London, Manchester, Cardiff and Liverpool if its not careful.

    The same can be said for Conservatives. Huge numbers of angry Conservatives shifted to UKIP in the rural parts of the country in 2015. Of course, many would have seen that as a wasted vote, but what would happen if they thought that it weren’t? The way the UK voting system works, it’s a bit like overthrowing Communism. There’s a very high bar to doing so, so you get pent up pressure for years finally leading to the whole edifice collapsing all in one go. Britain would do better to have a voting system which sees more evolutionary change outside a binary oligarchy of two ruling elites.

    As for the next Tory Leader, one does wonder whether they might elect Jacob Rees-Mogg, not necessarily to ‘run the country’, but to co-ordinate Britain’s exit from the EU. He doesn’t have any power complexes, he is extremely voluble and coherent and he has no fear whatsoever of European elites. There are some things to be said for an Eton education, occasionally…..alternatively, he might lead the negotiations with the EU as the Chancellor of the Exchequer……

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  39. This issue has without a doubt split the country down the middle, and with the already arrived attack on the UK (Standard and Poors have already reduced the UK’s AAA rating) this is only going to get worse, much worse, this might even get people fighting on the street so much vitriol is being displayed, and of course is playing into the hands of those whose hands are on the levers of power.
    There exists in my mind a scenario from which we might never fully recover until long after the demise of the EU. Let’s hope I’m wrong.

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  40. If I were to desire to have Brexit momentum halted dead in its tracks, who would I seek to disrupt and destroy, first and foremost?
    Whos help would I enlist?
    Where and when would I do this?
    Who are my enemies enemies and what do they desire? Does this fit with my goal?
    Question – Who am I / are we?

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  41. If you follow the MSM line now being run hard all around the world by the way; surprise, shock, not supported, break up of the UK etc etc, it seems to me that the ‘fix’ is already being implemented, discredit the outcome by the word ‘division’, debate) the meaning (terms of disengagement, article 50 etc), lack of unity etc, let the hotheads do their stuff (they will without encouragement) then in ‘they’ come to restore law and order, peace and the corporate way and the UK remains divided and ruled as it always was it is standard conservative hard right tactics works a treat every time. That;s the way it looks from here a long long long way away. Good luck.

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  42. kfc1404

    That is being organised behind the scenes by those who wish to break up the UK and establish London as a City State.

    American Bankers, the CIA and a few others perhaps??

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  43. Peter C

    I am someone who grew up in London, was well educated and by dint of hard work actually reached a position a decade ago when I knew more than most, particularly more than very powerful but perhaps less intelligent PTBers in London.

    I learned then that London was brazen in stealing for free insights paid for by regional organisations as it couldn’t be seen to be backward, inward looking and in need of the sort of innovation that Manchester provided in the First Industrial Revolution.

    I have little delusions about the nature of ‘innovation’ in London. It is bolstered by a Stasi-style full-spectrum dominance surveillance and electronic hacking programme. London Teaching Hospitals are a fully-integrated part of that surveillance…..

    No-one who lives in London could ever leave and return if they didn’t already own property there. That’s why it’s such an insular place and can only renew itself by sponging off the rest of the world’s brightest and best.

    My sister spends 16hrs a day in a hospital and has done for 30 odd years. But never having lived or worked outside London bar a very brief sojourn in Toronto around Millennium time, she knows more about what everyone wants and needs than a brother who has lived and worked in Glasgow (6 years), Manchester (8 years), Leeds (3 years), Oxford (4 years) Cambridge (3 years) and has done work on contract in Northern Ireland, Wales etc etc.

    Typical faux-socialist bullshitting neoliberal hypocrite, that sibling……..the fact that her obsessive-compulsive behaviour patterns make her a brilliant anaesthetist does not mean that it makes her capable of respecting the natures and views of those who are completely different…….

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  44. ultra909 – it doesn’t prove that in the slightest. It is perfectly possible that the true CIA controllers actually wish to break up the UK and the way they see that best occurring is a Brexit vote followed by riots in London, secession of London and Scotland and generalised balkanisation of a stroppy US subordinate……..

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  45. Lordy. I only note that the consensus before the referendum was that the fix was in, Jo Cox had been no doubt murdered by some security services Manchurian candidate, and if that wasn’t enough to swing it, they would just plain fix the ballot – somehow.

    And now that Brexit has surprisingly won the day, you say…

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  46. @ Anonymous
    June 24, 2016 at 9:04 pm , I’ll assume you have no objection against doormen on pubs and clubs, why are you so border phobic I wonder.

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  47. rtj1211

    I have received the call on my 2 day old mobile phone whilst waiting for a contact on Whitehall, London.
    The contract provider then was completely new too.
    I do not need convincing RE intelligence penetration in London.

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  48. kfc1404 @ 8.26am
    re: anti-Brexit demonstrations
    Could there be a ‘spontaneous’ uprising, a British Maidan perhaps…?

    Strange things can happen when democratic decisions produce unexpected results,

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  49. Ultra 909
    Hahaha, that is very fair. I got that wrong, having been told ‘you will not be allowed to leave’. I assumed the count would be rigged.

    I didn’t think they’d kill someone. Now I’m expecting relentless pressure on our banks and the Pound. It’s what they did in Greece, it’s what they do.

    But I promise, if they fail to stop us and I’m shown to be wrong, I shall be the happiest man in the eurozone. ;-))

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  50. Regarding the Remain protesters, what part of democracy do they not understand? Would they be up in arms if the vote had been similar but the other way around. Another Maidan may well be on the cards. Let’s resist it. UKIP is certainly not irrelevant now. They must be ready to see that what was won actually comes to pass and I don’t think either of the two main parties can be relied upon.

    Brexiteers take heart. Bon couage there is nothing to fear but fear itself

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