BREXIT: Tomorrow afternoon, the EC will give Erdogan a weapon that represents a Jihadist’s wet-dream

But let’s not be beastly to Recep. He’s a NATO ally

From yesterday’s Maily Polygraph, suffering as it does these days a shortage of editorial staff who can investigate:

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From The Slog of the day before:

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Last Thursday, I read a Spiegel piece (which I acknowledged) of more outline allegations, about which sources were then able to give me more detail.

The Drivelly Barclaygraph didn’t bother to mention either of us. I also added that Turkey is getting refugees back from the EU and deporting them to a Syria in which a grizzly fate may yet await them. This was not part of the original deal either….but the Telegraph toned down its piece and omitted such stuff because it is, as always, the lapdog of anyone with security credentials, military scrambled egg, and tons of wonga.

One threader on yesterday’s Slogpost said he didn’t see any problem here, and he’d always found most Turks very pleasant. Ditto…but two points for those born yesterday morning:

  1. It isn’t at all hard for Iraqis and Syrians to get forged Turkish passports. Erdogan will ensure they get them; and the recipients will be Daesh and/or ISIS jihadists, funded either by him or the Saudis.
  2. Erdogan is a blackmailer with a long history of supporting extremists and inventing crises. He has broken his word at every stage of this grubby deal, and he will do so again.

I can only repeat here what I wrote yesterday….on the slim chance that somebody on a sofa somewhere in England is still semi-conscious:

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38 thoughts on “BREXIT: Tomorrow afternoon, the EC will give Erdogan a weapon that represents a Jihadist’s wet-dream

  1. @AR

    I would argue that Russian bears, (are they grizzlies?) are a great threat to the NATO/Gulf/Israel/Turkey-backed Wahhabi mercenaries in Syria, and I have to say, I’m grateful for that fact, as, I suspect, are the Syrian people.

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  2. I see Blair has now teamed up with Bill Clinton to campaign for the remainers. You can smell the desparation from here…I think a lot more are leaning towards vote leave than is obvious, and TPTB know this, hence the desparation, if I’m right, what’s the betting we have an ‘Event’ which would neccessitate suspending the referendum?

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  3. This play by Alan Ayckbourn kind of sums up what’s happened to the UK which was a testbed for the EU:

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  4. It is mental. I mean, wtf were they doing holding hands in Paris? They’re on Charlie ffs. Je suis confused.
    So I’m left thinking this deal was sealed with the deliberate destabilisation of Greece.
    There is an agenda here that doesn’t worry about clashes, standards and future success. Deliberate.
    It is as if TPTB are throwing their cards into the air, not caring for the outcome. Deliberate.
    As if what is to come is far worse than the occasional head detachment procedure here and there. Deliberate.
    Police state, bank theft, misguided war, etc etc.
    Je suis…………

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  5. They told me we would be joining a common ‘market’
    They told me multi-culturalism would enrich my life and create a wonderful, exciting and vibrant society
    They told me globalisation was a most marvellous thing
    Yhe told me I was within 40 minutes of weapons of mass destruction
    They told me I was a racist if I protested at the numbers entering this country
    They told me I was a Little Englander when I protested that globalisation was not the best thing since sliced bread
    They tell me that Brexit will destabilise the world’s economy
    They tell me that my country will be diminished and enfeebled
    They tell me that my NHS will collapse

    On 23 June I will tell them to eff off

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  6. No doubt Erdogan is playing a cunning game. But nevertheless, I can’t see that it would be in Erdogan’s interests to hand out Turkish passports to terrorists, because: a) Turkey has itself suffered bloody attacks at the hands of Isis, in Istanbul and Ankara, and any more attacks would threaten Erdogan’s authority
    and b) It would terminally damage his international standing and his country’s quest for EU membership to have terrorists travelling on Turkish passports
    And possibly I’m being naive but I still don’t understand why Isil would want to attack western Europe at all. We’re told that allied air strikes have severely hit Isil capabilities – and yet here they are apparently desperate to provoke more air strikes. It makes absolutely no sense.

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  7. @jimsresearchnotes; The US have been pushing for Turkey to join for decades. This move will save the US million of dollars which have been propping up the Turkish economy. It will also allow Turkey to become a member of NATO and thus get US troops and missiles closer to the gulf.

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  8. I continue to wonder why the leaders of Eurp would do this. I can’t think of anything except the knowledge that society will collapse and they can then blame it on the imports as an excuse. Prepare accordingly.

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  9. Tom
    Your desire to steer clear of Jingoism does you credit – I share it. But Recep Erdogan isn’t remotely interested in joining a Godless instrument of the Great Satan like the EU: he is interested in becoming the first modern Caliphate.
    I suspect this has something to do with his megalomanic insanity.
    If it shouts, blackmails, bullies, arrests, censors and rips up treaties like a Hitler, chances are it’s a Hitler.

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  10. Well, Mr Ward, if your probabilistic analysis of old Recep is accurate and he is the reincarnation of old Adolf in Muslim garb, then I guess history will tell us that only Britain and Russia will stand up to him until he does something stupid like incite terrorist atrocities in the USA.

    Churchill and Joe Stalin. UK Leader and Vladimir Putin.

    As long as there is a potential UK leader who hasn’t already burned his boats with old Vladi by kissing the USA”s arse for too long…….

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  11. This Caliphate business simply cannot be allowed to play out.
    It is ridiculous to the max. Who dreams up these shit shows?
    It makes you wonder whether the players in the ME are being played for fools and are being set up for a fall by the US and their masters.
    There’s Clinton painting Putin as Hitler. FGS. I’d be certain there was evil in play if it weren’t for anti-Clinton, “Trump”, flip-flopping and mixed messaging himself. Can’t someone get a grip?
    Europe being painted into a corner and being isolated from Russia and the BRICS block.
    Aircraft carrier promises adrift and contracts broken.
    The MSM with their masters have a large part to play in this.
    The “28 pages”.
    Where are they? Why did they emerge recently? Will they reappear every time the overlord bogeyman needs some more leverage over his dumb serfs?
    Meanwhile, if the internet is to be believed and my mind is to be moulded, everyone and his dog is tooling up with new military technology. The nuclear power industry is simultaneously,in meltdown
    This is WW3 fer shure.
    The S HsTF when finally someone decides to make a serious grab and someone else calls “not fair”.

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  12. It is stuff like this that the UK as a country, needs to distance itself from, before things start getting real serious.

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  13. Erdogan is the main supporter of ISIS, hoping to extend his Caliphate into Iraq and secure the oilfields. He supplies weapons ,training, supplies. medical support and funnels jihadists into Syria. He is the main recipient of the stolen oil from Syrian and Iraqi oilfields.This is transhipped by his son Bilal shipping company.
    It is unlikely that ISIS would attack Turkish targets. However many Kurdish supporters and journalists supporting Assad have been assassinated recently in Turkey, ISIS have been blamed for such attacks.
    It is likely that Erdogan was complicit in these attacks against his political enemies and ISIS are suitable patsies.
    Turkey is dependent on Russia for its oil and gas supplies. Should it become energy independent from Russia, it would suit the Washington plan to undermine the Russian economy.
    The corridor from Iraq thru Northern Syria would also be used for a Qatari/ Saudi gas pipe, further undermining Russian monopoly of supplies to Europe.
    The Kurds consider this corridor their homeland and Erdogan wishes to remove them from this strip.

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  14. A politician like Merkel breaking their promises … never … they never do that do they?

    Merkel, like any other politician promises today, renages tomorrow … aka Cameron and crew and even Corbyn if he ever gets a chance. Diplomacy is a farce, they pretend to moderate or adjust that is why all Cameron’s bullshit on getting something out of the EU is a lie *or if not soon will be* … if he actually got anything at all it gets torn up tomorrow and he should know that being a politician and all this is the way modern politics operates in the world and the dumb sheeple just keep believing —>>> SO HE HOPES! Nah, he is a criminal in my eyes just they make the rules so he can never stand trial like Blair.

    Now here is the nasty thought for Erdogan, Hitler was a modern day politician, all the negotiation with Chamberlain etc. yet that twat of a leader did not then as we do not now seem to recognise their own behaviour. The EU, Erdogan, Obama even our own lot play this game every day so they SHOULD KNOW HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED surely?

    So we go to the next level they must know how this game is played you’d think? Everytihng after that by the likes of Cameron is therefore intentional be it supporting war or carrying it out so blood on his hands and he chose knowingly. Including all that blood not yet spilt from all the current decisions he makes.

    Choices on politicians now though, either dumb as a box of rocks or hideously evil and nothing in the middle.

    If it was not Turkey it would only be another … their action and intent is the same every dam time.

    BREXIT lets kill this horrific game.

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  15. Well now, it seems that Britain is again ahead of the EU in destroying the rights of a British subject:

    Google has been given access to information to an estimated 1.6 million NHS records, triggering concern from privacy campaigners.

    The company’s programme will use the data to develop an early warning system for patients at risk of developing acute kidney injuries.

    It says the data is encrypted, making it “totally unreadable” by the internet giant.

    But critics have questioned why it needs full information about patients – including full names as well as patient histories, including sensitive information such as abortions, mental health history and HIV status – to create such a specific application.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/03/controversy-as-google-given-access-to-nhs-patient-data/

    You know corporations by now, don’t you? I mean, they’ll ask one thing and in having gotten it, will be able to do a very great deal more… things that really are valuable. In fiscal terms, at least.

    Brexit will only mean that corporations can continue as normal. Influencing governments and whispering in the ears of MPs. Reminding them that their prosecution for defrauding the public during the expenses scandal was dropped only because they agreed to be good little boys…

    Brexit will only mean that the sale of the NHS to the highest, Chinese, bidder will continue unabated… just as Britain fought the tariffs on steel imports from China so as to feather its own nest and get Chinese support for power stations. With Brexit, Britain will be able to deal with the Chinese without the difficulty of the EU getting in the way, opening the doors to Chinese investment, Chinese control and Chinese corporations … along with all the rest that already plague what was once the mother of democracy.

    Perhaps it is now the “Mummy of Democracy” – the term ‘mummy’ being in the Egyptian sense of mummification???

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  16. Sorry if the last was a little off topic… but from the same article, Google is recorded as having given full guarantees to the public,/del> their shareholders:

    It said it has not ruled out the use of the data for other purposes.

    In or out of the EU, Britain needs a decent government, a democratic one.

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  17. @:Gemma

    “In or out of the EU, Britain needs a decent government, a democratic one”

    I think you’re right there. The EU referendum is the beginning, not the end.

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  18. Wulfric, the problem with Westminster has existed since the times when Lord Manchester said:

    “I will stand in parliament for as long as it profits me to do so.”

    He said that to Oliver Cromwell.

    British Democracy is a VERY British democracy; one that isn’t going to be changed just by asking MPs to be nice to each other.

    Perhaps one thing that needs dealing with is their lack of respect for each other – that is to say, to stop shouting all the time. When a friend of mine was visiting from Hannover, she heard the noise they created and she was shocked. She couldn’t imagine a parliament where people shouted at each other like football hooligans, and not feel obliged to behave like sensible, upright members of a civil society.

    When they have a modicum of respect for the other members of parliament, they may develop some form of respect for the house and institution they occupy. With that in place, they might even begin to respect the people who voted for them.

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  19. Oi should explain folks…
    We had a wonderful long weekend with my new man. He’s a fireman from Cairo oi think someone said..
    On top of that, oi received a massive bulk mail order online for most of the latest lingerie collection in red to go airfreight to dallas in the USA. The knickers will have ‘Oi voted Trump’ which gives it extra value.
    Today she’s just relaxing with a brandy or two and a handful of hrt doodas to keep the libido in top form.

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  20. Gemma i doubt you are writing these things.. except you may be a troll or you are being trolled. Please check out the clip above of the fracas in the turkish parliament today and note that merkel agreed to give ALL turks free passage to europe.
    Politicians are creatures with the same disease regardless whichever country they come from…..

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  21. Desmond, I did see the fracas, it was in all the German newspapers. I would like to add that the only people around here who can see that Brexit wouldn’t make the slightest difference to the lack of democracy in the UK are those who have experienced what it is like to live in a country that has at least a vestige of democracy.

    As to the men who seem to have the same degenerative disease as the one trolling me today, there are men around here who, like the members of parliament, cannot respect anything they cannot understand. This means conservative MPs who do not understand Labour policies* will shout at the Labour MPs because the Conservatives don’t understand why the others are even allowed in Parliament.

    So when a bloke says something like “Oi should explain folks…” – all he’s really trying to say is “I’m not really capable of adding up two and two to make four. I have a real problem when it comes to other people who have two legs, two arms, two eyes and a brain… I can understand the legs bit, and the arms bit, but the bit about the brain kinda gets me. It’s called intelligence if you’re stupid enough to agree with me, and it’s called ‘being wrong’ if you’re a man or ‘being a female’ if you don’t agree with me. Coz we men likes things our own way and doesn’t understand when it don’t go our way, especially when we paid so much of our own money to get parliament to agree with us.

    “Yours sincerely David Cameron, (speaking as a troll under today’s little falsehood on heels).

    “PS Dear voters, do not imagine that I can speak my own** mind in public, because I am so strong willed it might give me the creeps and there would be a puddle on the floor. I prefer to hide away and pretend to be a girl because it makes me feel strong and manly when I do so. But only when people cannot see me. That gives me a real kick, and when my wife’s not interested at night, you have to get your thrills somehow, and this is mine.”

    Now we know who is trolling me, and why. I mean it’s not as if I have anything against men, it’s more that I have a decided prejudice against the ones who are too stupid to even try to understand other people. That goes for the females like Fifi Lagarde, too… all hot air and curls with enormous numbers of brain cells underneath it all, but all of them looking inside rather than at the person she’s talking with.

    *(not that this should be too taxing on the brain – but this is reality, not wishful thinking we’re dealing with here)
    **(Cameron is fine when he’s being paid to speak because he knows that nobody can complain because those who have paid him are a lot more powerful than he is, and he can run to them if someone he doesn’t like starts talking behind his back.)

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  22. Gemma,
    “When they have a modicum of respect for the other members of parliament, they may develop some form of respect for the house and institution they occupy. With that in place, they might even begin to respect the people who voted for them.”

    That will never happen because proper respect is earned.

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  23. 8.36Mhz

    I presume you don’t understand British democracy… proper respect isn’t earned, it’s BOUGHT.

    I know that both have to do with money, but if you can’t afford to buy Cameron’s respect, you ain’t going to get it.

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  24. Gemma,
    Yep, sorry.
    I was trying to differentiate between the respect demanded by a thug and the respect earned by a good leader.

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  25. Well, you were talking about British politics… ;-)

    The problem is paradoxical: you can’t buy good leaders. That means the likes of Corbyn are trashed in the media and Bernie Sanders won’t get anywhere either.

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