GREECE & THE EU: Papandreou’s oddly robotic Huffpost article

With 50% of young Greeks jobless, Troika plans to end Greek military service.

My inbox this morning is full of irate Greek persons with only two topics on their minds: George Papandreou’s pro-Brussels piece in Huffington Post calling for a new European Dawn, and the apparent intention of the Troika to cut back Greece’s armed forces in yet another round of loot the paintings in the Museums and transport the Parthenon to Berlin austerity.

It pains me to offer anyone a link to Huffpost, as it remains a shameless source of Common Purpose-style New York Times hypocrisy, perfectly personified by Arianna herself – the girl who trousered $54m by persuading all her contributors to work for nothing. Ms Huffington is not so much false flag as flash hag, but in publishing this Papandreou piece last Thursday she artlessly reveals that the colour of George’s flag is not blue with gold stars, but pure lilly-white.

There were two moments in the Greek debt saga when I began to get seriously negative feelings about the EU in general and Berlin in particular. The first was when Papandreou (as Prime Minister)  announced a referendum on the proposed bailout deal in 2011, and Merkel and Sarkozy treated him like the little boy who broke wind noisily in a funeral parlour. As a piece of international bullying, it was second only to Hitler giving the Czech foreign minister a heart attack at Berchtesgarden in 1938.

The second came when You-better-stay-in-my-gang Schäuble ‘forbade’ Greek elections after the 2012 Brussels Accord, and I suddenly ceased to feel bad about beating up disabled people. On this occasion, Sarkozy was around to declare what Wolfie had said an unstatement, but it was too late by then: Herr Doktor Strangelove had removed his mask of sombre disapproval to reveal a surface of unyielding granite underneath.

I think last week’s article by George Papandreou is the third moment in the series, because any reader with an ounce of discernment can see what the formerly much-respected politician is doing in the piece.

Fair enough, he makes a rousing plea to end the dictatorship of Berlin-am-Brussels; it’s just that the hope is empty. There is not one shred of practical strategy offered as the way to stop dictatorial Teutonics and Belgian fifth columnists doing what they clearly like doing best: telling everyone else to halt’s Maul. Papandreou’s rosy outlook is the triumph of shallow optimism over the experience of profound authoritarianism.

It is when George starts writing in the manner of a post show-trial enemy of Comrade Stalin (admitting that yes, he had conspired with agents of reactionary decadence to assassinate the Great Father) that one finds the nape-hairs beginning to fidget.

‘Over the decades we have become more and more interdependent in Europe,’ Papandreou writes. ‘This was not by chance, this was by design – from the days of Monnet and Schuman. It is this interdependence that has made the wars of the past unthinkable.’

Well, it would’ve been nice if the Sprouts had informed the British people of this during the 1970s, when they flatly denied any such plans. But for a man of his standing to suggest that the EU now beginning its death-throes has made war unthinkable is pure fancy. The EEC managed that, for sure: it gave us half a century of peace before anyone in Brussels surreptitiously inserted a ‘u’ at the end of the brand-name. What the Troika of bankers, Berliners and Brusselian boobies has been doing since 2009 is to engender hatred, and display all the stereotypical behaviour that has always made the UK wary of Europeans and their ambitions. A European war is far more likely today than it was fifteen years ago.

Sadly, there is even worse drivel to come. The one-time Greek white hope tells us that, ‘Our citizens wonder whether this European structure is still useful, or if we should go our own separate, independent ways. As in The Odyssey, the sirens are beckoning that we change course. However sweet their song, we know their purpose is that we crash on the shallow rocks.’

Paranoid Gaullist bollocks. Who are these sirens, where is their sweet song, and where the evidence that they wish us to crash? I see, hear and discern none of it: America would like to pick Greece off, but that has nothing to do with the EU. Washington and Wall Street are terrified of a eurozone meltdown. And in case you hadn’t noticed George, it’s all crashing over the cliff entirely unaided by wicked foreign powers moving in mysteriously pernicious ways.

Before leaving this depressing topic, I should point out that Mr Papandreou was writing the piece sort of under the auspices of/immediately after attending one of these murky New York seminars where George Soros turns up to say I’m quite a nice chap really. And perhaps more pertinently, last April Papa told Huffpost readers that ‘the European Union is being driven by a “dogma” of belt-tightening that he describes as “too mechanistic.”‘ So clearly the Bodysnatchers had a word with the guy, and now he’s just another Stepford Wife. What a shame.

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth there is an unpleasant Troika development that should (based on his article) be more than enough to persuade Papandreou that nasty people have dishonourable designs on Greece. The Trident of Economic Death is seeking to abolish compulsory military service there, according to Greek magazine To Pontiki, ‘in order to reduce state expenditures’.

More accurately, I suspect, this is a move to dilute national identity and blunt any remaining sense of Greek pride. But even if this should not turn out to be the case, only a bean-counter (with youth unemployment at 50%) would suggest putting yet more people on the streets with nothing to do. The accountant blinded by the balance sheet must soon himself become unbalanced. I wonder if the clown who suggested this has ever heard of Golden Dawn.

77 thoughts on “GREECE & THE EU: Papandreou’s oddly robotic Huffpost article

  1. The main time the mother of the Honorable Mr Papandreou shows up in the famous Lagard list that for a while went missing , having a whopping $550 bil in a sigle account .


  2. “Well, it would’ve been nice if the Sprouts had informed the British people of this during the 1970s,”

    Many of us weren’t even alive and therefore didn’t have a say in this matter.

    Whatever happened to the concepts in the Magna Carta 1215, “Let no foreign Prince………………………..”?

    Oh, and Lizzie the troll signed all the treaties….I hope folk remember that fact when humanity commences with a bit more soul searching over the next few years.


  3. ‘Well, it would’ve been nice if the Sprouts had informed the British people of this during the 1970s, when they flatly denied any such plans.’

    It would have been quite nice if the UK politicians of the day, desperate to sort out an ailing and deeply divided country in any way that combined their personal profit with some sort of national economic progress, had bothered to mention the long term USE goal to the population here. We were the ‘sick man of Europe’. Still, they kept pretty quiet and now most of them are dead. I am tempted to say that as a country we are notably naive, but perhaps that’s a more general problem and our history has dumped on us the lousy leaders we deserve and elect. Short termism is built into the UK psyche from the desperate annual profit bonus system used by so many as incentives to meet the targets set by a blinkered stock exchange to the need to re-elect all those troughers in parliament every 5 short years, with a full stop to planning at the election date. We are still doing it – just look at the thousands of builds proposed for flood plains, or the opposition that one miserable new railway engenders. There’s an urgent need to lift our noses from the grindstone and take a glance at the direction the train on which it is mounted is headed. Once a week would be enough…


  4. Ever since the EU Crisis began in earnest in January 2010, EU leaders have maintained the following strategy:

    1, Engage in endless meetings/ discussions, none of which resolve anything.
    2, Announce that the situation is resolved.
    3, Wait for the world to realize nothing has been fixed.
    4, Repeat.
    The prime example is Greece. There have been no less than 30 “Greece is saved” press releases/ announcements, accompanied by market rallies only to discover that Greece is not saved and in fact is worsening by the week.
    We’ve now had two formal Greece bailouts. We’re currently working on a third/ debt buyback program, the stated goal of which is to get Greece’s Debt to GDP ratio to 120% by 2020.
    Again, the goal for the current proposal is to get Greece to the point at which it will still be totally broke in eight years. It’s amazing no one laughs out loud at EU meetings.

    Actually they did… the below came from a recent Q&A session with Jean-Claude Juncker, current Prime Minister of Luxembourg.

    Question: Is the goal still to get Greece’s debt to 120%?

    Juncker: The fact is that the target of 120% will remain, but the target as far as the time frame is concerned has been postponed to 2022.

    [Laughter in the room]

    Juncker: That was not a joke!

    Source: ZeroHedge

    The reality is that no politician wants to implement actual solutions (total default, wipe out of all bad debt, and massive economic structural changes) because all of them are 100% politically toxic.
    Meanwhile Greek unemployment worsens while its GDP continues to collapse. Indeed, from peak to today, Greek GDP has fallen nearly 20%.
    This collapse is equal to that of Argentina in 2001, when it had a full-scale systemic implosion.
    Again, this is the country that political leaders and financial luminaries claim has been “saved” dozens of times.

    France is now looking at market driven collapse due to socialist leadership policies combined with previous misadventures. Germany will now be used to feeling the squeeze on it’s export driven economy, and will no longer tolerate the results of it’s own policies.


  5. ‘ Germany will now be used to feeling the squeeze on it’s export driven economy, and will no longer tolerate the results of it’s own policies.’

    You’re right Prof. Only when the Germans start to feel some pain will this euro debacle come to an end.


  6. Please bear in mind that they have been feeling the pinch since the beginning of the Euro. Their wages have been going down over that time – in stark contrast to many other Eurozone countries.

    The prices have been going up nonetheless.

    For those who have eyes to see, the effects are obvious. The pain is very much there, only they would rather have a job. It means they work harder for less, much as many of the Mittelstand employers are.


  7. It was made perfectly plain in 1975 that a ‘Yes’ vote was also a vote in favour of accepting the the Common Market would evolve, enlarge and converge politically and economically. It was also made plain that from then on, all future decisions would be ratified by Parliament and not referred to the population for referendum. And that has happened and continues to happen to this day.

    The opposition were in the main the Trades Unions and the left wing of the Labour Party and as a result anyone who opposed it was branded a ‘mad marxist’.


  8. Military service anyone? Surely, the current conscripts have access to arms, if not munitions. Wouldn’t do at all to have the means to give the ****ers a real shock.


  9. @Gemma
    German workers have felt the pinch since the start of the euro because Germany imposed 10 years of austerity on the workforce (1) to increase Germany’s competitiveness in the EZ and (2) to profit German industry.
    That version of austerity (austerity has many applications) meant that the majority of workers stayed employed but as part-time, and no wage rises.
    However Germany has a strong social welfare system, so a single unemployed worker there receives just over 1000€ to live on.
    This is 200€ higher than the median wage now in Greece – before taxes, a wage that is usually supporting extended family.


  10. Well Papandreou is a politician and like all of that ilk he says whatever is expedient at the time given his intended audience.

    A little revisionism there, I think John. The Sprouts were quite clearly saying in the 1970s (and the 50s, 60s, 80s, 90s and 2000s) that the eventual aim is and always was a Federated States of Europe. Anyone speaking to anyone on or from the continent in the 1970s was well aware of it. Only our UK political class, MSM and Establishment denied it and ridiculed anyone who claimed it so, as they still do and as half the population still believes.


  11. No more compulsory military service in Greece ? Brilliant idea ! Now they won’t be needing any of those Submarines that the Germans sold them (twice)….That should knock about EUR 100B off the debt pile straight away, particularly if they tell Geli where they are parked up and to come and collect ’em……I have a hunch that the average Greek would have probably preferred food, warmth this winter and medical supplies anyway

    …….And as an added bonus, all these nice young patriotic Greeks can still have a fancy uniform after all, providing that they join Golden Dawn………and just think…..that’ll come in really handy in Athens once all the fresh bunch of Economic Migrants turn up because there is no one to man the Greek border posts and island ports any more.

    You seriously could not make it up. What are they thinking of?

    If Papandreou had only had the balls to hold that Referendum……we could have all been sunning ourselves on beautiful Greek beaches with great food, wine and company paid for in loverly devalued Drachs last summer, but I still have high hopes for 2013 after it blows up in Geli’s face after Xmas

    …..As for George P…the sooner he crawls back into his white feather lined pit, the better.


  12. @ coppersterling,
    There are a lot of us who voted, can’t remember, Did the Yes Vote mean, a] We stay in the EEC or b] Do we leave the EEC.
    Warning, beware the wording of any future referendum on the EU.
    But most people at the time did think that the EEC was purely a trading Cartel, like EFTA, not a Political Union.
    My own opinion, Ted Heath, lied through his teeth, I don’t believe that he was in-competent.
    We should dig him up and put his head on a spike outside the Tower of London, as a warning to others.
    As for the Magna Carta, most of it now as been repealed, a bit like what the US has done, and is doing to its Constitution.


  13. Do you know Graham D ( much to my surprise as I am not always in agreement with what you write) on this occasion I pretty much concur with every word.


  14. Odd too that the cost of German Reunification is never mentioned. That was expected to be and no doubt was huge. Am I to understand that hasn’t had an effect?


  15. @Gemma
    Germany imposed 10 years of austerity on the workforce (3) to assist in the unification of East Germany, when the East German Mark was traded 1 for 1
    Once Germany as received/repatriated all its Gold back onto German soil. The Euro experiment will be finished.


  16. “It was made perfectly plain in 1975 that a ‘Yes’ vote was also a vote in favour of accepting the the Common Market would evolve, enlarge and converge politically and economically. It was also made plain that from then on, all future decisions would be ratified by Parliament and not referred to the population for referendum. And that has happened and continues to happen to this day.”

    Quite right. And if you can find *any way* in *any detail* that what you have described above fits into the present day situation, other than in a conversation *between* two politicians, please fell free to say how.


  17. You are all so wrong. Do you really suggest that the Troika would render the Greek army useless? Who would stop immigrants entering the precious EU from the East?
    There is one little detail i should tell you though. The proposal to reduce military costs by 42% until the year 2016 included the “digitization” of the Greek arm forces. Technology, as we all know, makes for great cost cutting everywhere.
    Now, who would offer such technology (for a fee,i would assume)?
    ……..Yeap, now you got it.
    Dear Gemma have no worries, Germany is winning this war hands down. Enjoy it while it lasts because sooner or later it won’t be just a pinch you will be feeling, along with the rest of us.


  18. Yana,
    Do you remember George’s father, Andrew? The minute we as Greeks accepted his mistress after that notorious decent from the plane beside him, I’m sure she planned her revenge and it definitively included her idiot son.


  19. How it fits in? Every change has been ratified in the UK Parliament, The lot. Without recourse to referenda – exactly as per the YES vote.

    It has evolved and enlarged. Exactly as per the YES vote.

    It has converged economically and politically. Exactly as per? You know the answer.


  20. The overwhelming majority of the Greek population are pro-euro and pro-EU. Therefore there will be no coup because a coup in an EU member country results in immediate suspension of membership.


  21. 21 November 2012, Guy Verhofstadt, European Parliament:

    “Mr. Farage has talked all morning about salaries and waste of money. What I think is the biggest waste of money in the EU today is the salary we pay to Mr. Farage.

    “Let’s be honest about it. You are (a) member of the Fisheries Committee, for example, and you’re never there – never. In 2011, no attendance and in 2012, no attendance.

    “It’s fantastic what you’re doing. You are coming (here) saying it’s a scandal, the salaries that are being paid and you pay yourself a salary without doing any labour in your own committee.

    “Maybe, this can be sent out to the BBC this evening once and for all and all the (other?) private television in Britain. How you are in fact cheating your own citizens here, all the time, already three years in a row and I think this has to finish”.


  22. Well AW I believe you prove my point The only way it has evolved *as was promised by the politicians* is *as per the politicians language*. Which as the rest of us mere mortals know is anything but *real* language.

    By all means make that claim but anything else is a little disingenuous, shall we say?


  23. “Technology, as we all know, makes for great cost cutting everywhere”

    Except in the UK where any attempt to embrace or introduce technology by *any* government department results in countless Billions (yes Billions) being spent and subsequently written off because *It* don’t work after all. (See the NHS and MOD for corroboration if you doubt it).


  24. If this is an accurate observation it does rather indicate what I have said about Farage in the past. Boom and bluster will amuse the easily impressed but actually something more considered and moderated is required to make an impression against the self satisfied, smug arrogant are*oles of the EU.

    Watching the arrogant disdain that Rompey and Barrosso display whenever Farage talks is an education, apparently not noticed by Farage.


  25. Still complete bollocks, but I guess you know that very well. And how and why does it matter at all what an unemployed in Germany receives. Is it Germany that is asking its neighbours for credits to pay this?


  26. Blunt? No worries!
    If assistance were ever “required” and it will, I have no doubt that there would be plenty of offers from other “military agencies”.
    Handy that.


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  28. @Full stop: same path followed in Greece. Money coming in from EU funds, going to white elephant and other crony projects.
    The Greek IRS departments have in their warehouses computers with Win98 OS (that they never used and are now obsolete). Millions thrown out of the window, and you see the result now.


  29. Huff post = Green trash. Clmatemongerers. Papandreou played a bizarre game, but I believe we underestimate the effect of TWO embassies, TWO, not ONE, on bizarre and/or corrupt and/or spineless, and/or blackmailed types. Tax resistance is the only non bloody resistance, but they have done it piecemeal, people are disssoriented, we will wake up one morning having to pay rent on our houses or appartments, on a €200 euro charity salary, PROVIDED THAT we speak German, and read Huff Trash. Sucks the proverbial one.


  30. No conscript army? So who is going to keep out the Turks when the possession of oil fields in the east Mediterranean is disputed? Their army is a tad over 400 000 men, conscripts and professionals.


  31. @Ljh
    Yep. That is the 10 billion dollar question.
    Why does Troika (+NATO?) want to neutralise its very expensive investments on its most explosive and sensitive border? That happens to be full of oil fields and pipeline ports?


  32. @Ljh: Very good point – not raised very often here.
    Turkey is a market of 70 million people. Very good export market for Germany, EU, US…
    With an army of half a million, the west loves them – it’s a very good proxy for Middle East/Central Asia. A mighty guard force against Russia and Iran.
    So, the turkish bullying against most of it’s smaller neighbors is tolerated.
    Greece is being driven into “Finlandization”. It started long ago (90s) – it’s getting there faster because of the crisis.
    The thing is, a big part of Greek society is not willing to accept Finlandization. The ancient spirit of “Molon Lave” (Come and Get it) is still alive. Unfortunately, West’s negligence of all this issues is a contributing factor to the rise of Golden Dawn :-(


  33. Full Stop

    Let us just say that the East (the old DDR) is thought of as Germany’s Greece. If you can grasp this – and how much this costs the average German then you will understand that they have no interest in having a real one!

    Whilst it is not mentioned, it is certainly understood. Those who knew the DDR of old (amongst whom I am one) know just how badly affected it was by decades of non-investment. As an example the entire railway line between Halle and Leipzig has had to be renewed – and is being done twenty years after re-unification.

    That this doesn’t feature in the British media should not surprise you.


  34. Did they impose austerity on the workforce?

    Think for one moment: there is one word that throws a spanner in the gears of your thinking: Mittelstand. They are fiercely independent, and highly motivated. They also know which side of their bread is buttered. They know how to survive, and putting wages under pressure and working more efficiently is one big part of the equation.

    Any country that has not borrowed/printed to allay this factor will have felt this cold wind.


  35. Anyone that Rompuy and Barroso show disdain to has my vote. Try turning off the sound and reading his speeches. Very impressive.

    They obviously had to search around to find something to embaress him. It took a long time too.


  36. Are you having a pop at re-writing history John?
    NATO was the primary reason there was no hot war, nothing to do with the UN or the Brussels-am-Rhine clique.
    Cruise missiles, armoured divisions and Ronnie Raygun with iron maggie in tow were the final nails in the USSR’s coffin, not Rumpy Pumpy’s boy scouts and pencil neck brigade.

    At best they can only claim 22 years of peace in europe post USSR, which is utterly ridiculous as claims go anyway. The rest of us know with reasonable certainty, that all that happened in 1989 was that the politburo simply moved around 800 miles west and south a bit.


  37. sigh……
    Farage had no choice about being on that committee really. Secondly it has no function except to decide how quickly the Danish sand eel fishers rape and clear the north sea of viable spawning grounds -something no sane person [unless Danish] would want to be a part of. The criminal waste of turning 230 thousand tons of sand eels [primary food source of young cod] into fertilizer pellets and glue.

    What maniacs think turning living things into glue is a good idea? East them yes, but glue?


  38. “It was made perfectly plain in 1975 that a ‘Yes’ vote was also a vote in favour of accepting the the Common Market would evolve, enlarge and converge politically and economically”

    I don’t think so. The convergence bits were hidden behind coughs and splutters. The whole thing was mass deception practiced on a gullible population.

    Having read some of your other posts Mr Williams I’m starting to get a little suspicious about you and your motives.


  39. You sound awfully well informed…….. Mr Trollike person.
    Greeks have a problem in that they know the EU supplies the money but they hate it….but they love the money….but they hate it…..but they love the money………they know they are slaves to it but they love the money…. but they hate it……


  40. They are still paying apparently. One of the reasons Germany didn’t want there to be this ‘payment’ to keep the other countries in the game was because they know it doesn’t work. They’ve been paying for the ‘Osty’s’ ever since re-unification.-mainly because the ‘Osty’s’ would not accept anything other than ‘Ostmark’=’Deutschmark’. this of course utterly buggered them just like the Euro has the rest of the EU.


  41. We don’t require a referendum, bud, we simply need to sack parliament. Learn to ignore them, give them not a second of your time bar exposing their corruption to others.

    Magna Carta cannot be repealed, it is a constitutional document that pre-dates any statute law introduced by our treasonous houses of parliament, and at a more fundamental and philosophical level, the ‘law’ is what the majority perceive to be ‘right’ and ‘wrong’……..this is why some ‘laws’ receive a hostile reception from the public.

    ‘Their’ greatest secret is ‘they’ require our consent and support to continue being TPTB. Ask yourself how you currently support them in your finances and time and then extract them as much as possible.

    The ‘elite’ are a bunch of low-life parasites that require our energy to survive just like any other parasite requires another’s energy to survive.

    If enough of us withdraw our support/energy, the parasitical elite will inevitably die……and die they should.


  42. “It was made perfectly plain in 1975 that a ‘Yes’ vote was also a vote in favour of the Common Market evolving, enlarging converging politically etc…….”
    I think you will find this was concealed from the general public and it’s only very recently that they’re beginning to cotton on. I don’t dispute that the majority of the political élite were fully aware throughout of the ultimate objectives.
    Jean Monnet, the EU’s principal founder said in 1952 : ” Europe’s citizens should be guided towards the super-state without people understanding what is happening.” Schuman said something similar about people being unable to grasp the importance of the ultimate goal of total integration which should therefore be concealed from them.


  43. Ehhh… latest (fake) polls here in Greece have support for EU membership down to about 50+%… and I know for a faxt those polls are fraudulent… also, support for pro EU party’s (all of them) is about 17-20% on the outside. To make the statement that the overwhelming majority are pro EU membership is a as optimistic as a Brussels bailout plan. Don’t believe the polls coming out of Greek sources, please.


  44. There is documentation released under the 30 year rule which specifically states that the public should be kept in the dark regarding the future path of the Common Market – or they would never support being part of it.

    The people were deliberately mislead in order to get the result the politicians wanted. The difference back then was that most people believed that the politicians were indeed – honourable…….. Now we know different………..And we realise that appearances back then were deceiving.


  45. Eleni, you are probably aware of the “Roumeliotis documents” – coming from the IMF. They are a proof that Papandreou and our finance minister at that time were made aware, since March 2010, that all the MoU plans were in the wrong direction and the only result would be poverty and instability in Greece.
    Tried to find articles in English about this but couldn’t. Should we bring these docs to the attention of JW? Any volunteers?
    (i am ill, at home with Monday morning fever – unfortunately not possible that i do this today).


  46. Tassos
    Germany is only winning this war because it is up to date with technology. Even so, they are losing the high end to Japan: look at any car or crane – all stuffed with high-tech from Japan.

    An interesting food chain, don’t you think?


  47. Eleni,

    apols for not seeing this sooner, only you didn’t respond in the thread.

    The Grundgesetz – the basis Germany’s welfare system amongst other things – is largely funded by taxing large concerns and large industries – now that is a model that Greece could follow too, don’t you think?

    Germany has no minimum wage. That means that anybody can take a job at any price, and will be topped up by the government. Save of course, if you haven’t been registered in Germany for five years. That is an EU regulation by the way, and one that the UK cannot implement owing to its Greek-like administration.


  48. Interesting, non sustainable, cruel, inhuman and in any case undeserving for mankind. It would be natural though, if we were all fish in a pond.


  49. Do we really have an operational army? a failed state where nothing really works , but the army is working ? After years of unthinkable corruption , zero meritocracy and a wide spread culture of ” hail to what we can eat , what we can drink and what our ass will enjoy ” as we say in Greece , is there anyone who believes that Greece has an army to defend the motherland ?
    Unfortunately for the last 30 years our leaders managed to rot and ridicule everything in the country to unimaginable levels .I have lived in corrupt countries like Indonesia and China but one can say that is a kind of “efficient corruption” that makes things move .You might have to pay someone off but is quick to figure out whom and once you find that person or the right “partner” , the payoff is not just pocketed , the job gets done and fast too.They have managed to build ” credibility ” for institutions and things are moving forward . In contrast our leaders established a “perverse corruption” , they bought off consciences and treated Greece in such a way that not even the worse pimp treats his whore . ( excuse my words but are the kindest i found for the greek politicians )


  50. As for Mr Papandreou , JW you are wasting your valuable brain on him .Papandreou and Samaras are confirmations to the argument that idiots are more dangerous than bastards ( like Venizelos )


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  52. Forget about simply getting a job at 50 ct/h, and having government top it up. They have strict means testing. It’s a perfect way for bureaucrats to grab six decades of excessively accumulated private wealth of the lower and middle class Germans, while increasing both international competitiveness, and government dependence.


  53. Tell me, Tassos.

    Have you ever met a banker who put humanity first and money second? A businessman even?

    I doubt even your beloved shipping magnates are any different.

    I will remind you: when advising a business, any question relating to money I deem inappropriate. Deal with people first. They are the ones who will spend it, not a computer, a bank or a machine. Understand that and you will be a lot closer to understanding where I come from.

    Oh, and yes, industrial products are usually inedible. Either that, or don’t do food much good. There are ways out, and I detail them.


  54. Funny how ‘Mum’ has allegedly trousered EUR 550 mill ( USD 700 mill) in a Swiss bank account and not been a patriot like her son and kept it in Greece eh?


  55. @Harold, she is not Greek – she’s American. For her and her sons Greece has been a feud that they were destined to govern…
    (not that the Greek politicians have been any better or less greedy).


  56. ” Deal with people first. ”
    Really? Please let’s do just that.
    Does it matter if they are not German and probably never trusted their state with their money?
    Are they less human?
    If not, advocate for them, don’t just judge or pity them.


  57. @Andy Williams


    and also from that site: “The Evidence Files”.

    I posted them here a couple of months back- very large pdfs.

    There is also, as others here have mentioned on previous occasions, evidence of US inc CIA involvement in the 50’s to get the whole thing rolling, unfortunately the link to the document I found is no longer available.

    Our politicians lied. Why they did so I couldnt possibly comment.

    I voted against joining in the 70’s, despite at the time having half my family behind the ‘iron curtain’. It’s the smell you know, you get to recognise it.


  58. I agree with Troika too. Most of EU countries have compulsory military service . Noone has never asked ous if we want to go serve the army … things here are getting difficult by the minute . Most of young men work in order to live with their parents . when the army service comes people spend their money on army because there are not food supplies. that’s cruel. Noone has ever asked me if i got money to go serve the army . Now i must gather some helpful amount of money (5000E) in order to go serve the army .The economy is in some way damaged . most of people here have choosen between army and studies . we also pay for universities (3000E the less so we can live properly inside a university) why should we have to abandon our dreams in order to go in army ? I am one of them … i cant understand why should we have to serve the army by the time they can’t offer us the basics like food supplies .i am not willing to pay for a country that can’t support their own people .we are a part of Europe. i completly agree with Troika .


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