David Jekyll & Cameron hype: why we should lovingly fear the EU.

The EU is a sort of snakey ladder with hints of  liberal Nazism – says Dave

A brief post this one, but size isn’t everything. It makes you think, and that’s the point.

At the Telegraph site this afternoon, there’s a news piece which offers this outstanding example of Dave saying what a hero he’s going to be if he squeezes so much as an exhalation out of the EU:

‘Leaving the European Union but staying in the single market would mean that Britain was governed by fax from Brussels, David Cameron said.’

Here’s my take on this: isn’t it funny how when he’s in Europhile mode, Rancid Cameldung is dead keen to tell us how harmless and absolutely vital to our survival the EU is….but when he’s under overwhelming Party and electoral pressure to return to free trade with it, it’s a dictatorial fascist superstate that gives its members orders by fax?

There is of course a very simple solution to the Jekyll & Hyde personality emitted by the European Union: leave the bloody thing entirely. It is, after all, sinking into the quicksand at a rate of knots. But even if it wasn’t, it has been revealed as a controlling Franco-German arm-twisting club run by Belgian robots so many times now, surely it is that club we should not want to join because it would have us as a member?

So get thee now to Hastings dear Cammers, there to face the might of Herman le Conqéreur and his mighty army of banana-straighteners, and receive a deadly pen in your eye from the bureaucrats.

PS: the latest opinion poll has UKip on 16%.

 

60 thoughts on “David Jekyll & Cameron hype: why we should lovingly fear the EU.

  1. I love the FAX bit, it’s SOooo out dated!
    Just shows he’s still trying to fool the peeps who haven’t got email/skype/conference calling yet…or that he iS a dork…hmmm.
    Know which way I fall!

    • It’s from a remark made by the Norwegian Prime Minister years ago and basically it’s about how – if you are a non-EU country, in Europe and wish preferential trading arrangements.

      5 millions Norwegians contribute some €100s millions a year to be allowed to the single market – despite neither being a member, nor having any voting rights. and that is altogether a Net contribution, as no Norwegian project is funded by EU- none of the money comes home to Norway. Thus it is per capita higer than the British net contribution(€68to British around)-And Norway have to feed the Cohesion fund in line with their GDP with a full member’s contribution to build with their money roads , bridges, renovate cities in Poland, Czech , Hungary, Romanis Bulgaria, Greece, Spain, Malta, Cyprus etc.

      Nevertheless Norway has to pay import tariff for its manufactured products – like 12 per cent in the case of smoked salmon –( imagine such a tariff on cars built in Britain, the companies will shut down their plants in UK). And all products sold to the EU must still meet Single Market regulations-in all aspects.And for these regulations Norway was not allowed to vote, not even to enter the meeting room, waiting on the
      corridors, for the outcome- important for the Norwegian economy . In such a humiliating procedure Norway has adopted three-quarters of EU
      legislation amounting to 6,000 legislative acts..It was her Prime
      Minister Jens Stoltenberg himself, who described his country in February 2001 – a “fax democracy”, where Norwegian legislators await their instructions by fax from Brussels- nowadays per SMS or email I presume.

      This level of EU compliance (higher than we have now even though we are in and Norway isn’t) is also inflicted on Iceland, San Morino, Monaco, Licthenstein, Vatican and a few other places for good measure. In addition they all have to comply with Schengen.

      That is what we would be facing if we left – having to implement more EU Directives and laws than we currently do and having to implement Schengen. In return we would only face a mere 12% tariffs on our exports to the EU. If we didn’t, the tariffs would be higher. That is why business is dead set AGAINST leaving the EU.

      • You rather ignore the fact that the political class in Norway is derangedly Euphile, in contrast to the current population. It would hardly have been in their interests to negotiate the best deal possible because they would then have no arguments for EU membership.

        Countries outside Europe have managed to negotiate much better trading arrangements with the EU.

      • As Richard North at EURef says this is a tired, old argument as the rules and regulations are decided at a global level with the EU only implementing the decisions through the regional governments suc as the one we now have in Whitehall.

        “Crucially, the essence of this is that most of the single market rules are negotiated at global and regional level. And, as this Bruges Group report makes clear, EEA/EFTA experts and representatives participate in over 500 committees and expert groups involved in what is known as “decision shaping” at this level. This, says the report, “is a valuable and appreciated opportunity for acquiring information and contributing to new legislative proposals at the earliest stages of policy formation”.

        And what is decided at global and regional level – often tied into a network of intergovernmental treaties – cannot be changed. The EU simply acts as the middle-man, turning what are called “diqules” into actionable law. But, as long as we are in the EU, we have less control than we would like over the formulation of these “diqules”.

        Whether it is technical standardisation of transport requirements from UNECE, common banking rules from the Basel Committee on Banking Supervision, international food standards from Codex Alimentarius, animal disease controls from the Office International des Epizooties (OIE) – created, incidentally, in 1924 – or labour laws from the International Labour Organisation, a we usually defer to the “common position” decided by the EU when dealing with these bodies.

        Outside the EU, and within the EFTA/EEA – where we were still part of the single market – we would regain our voice. Instead of the “common position” most often being decided by the French and Germans within the EU – with British voice suppressed – our “say” would actually be improved. We would be able to express our views directly in global councils, without the blocking “filter” of the EU.”

        http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=83408

  2. Not only is UKIP on 16% – it is also £30 better off. I joined today.
    Every little helps to rid us of this ‘dictatorial fascist superstate’ and I have a feeling that we on ‘a roll’ at last.

  3. Dave has been on our local ‘Look East’ earlier tonight. The usual waffle about us needing the single market for our exports. The fact that we export more to the rest of the world than the EU was, of course, not mentioned.He
    say’s he’s a eurosceptic but his actions say something very different.

    • Quite Laurence. What bloody EU exports. There was a time when I thought why bother leaving when the EU looked like sinking into its own cesspit. Now even the stench of Brussels is overpowering. High time we locked up a few bankers and went Icelandic. Just the weather for it.

    • Strangely they never seem to mention our ‘balance of trade’ with the EU – maybe that’s because we buy far more from them than they ever buy from us (count the volume of VW/BMW/Mercedes/Peugeot/Fiat on our roads for a hint). They need us far more than we need them.
      Leaving the EU would be hugely trade-positive – but they’ll never tell you that.

  4. Apologies for O/T but I’m concerned that blogs like this will be unable to continue unless defended. Plans are afoot to stop them:
    ‘Right now at a UN meeting in Dubai, authoritarian regimes are pushing for full governmental control of the Internet in a binding global treaty — if they succeed, the internet could become less open, more costly and much slower. We have only 2 days to stop them.’
    Please have a look at this:

    http://www.avaaz.org/en/hands_off_our_internet_i/?blpoxcb&v=20018

  5. It this just coincidental, karma or fate?

    Over the weekend whilst dog watching for a relative I caught an advert on Sky. Mr Conway the news editor saying how they were there to make the bankers and politicians acountable. Laugh … sure did.

    Made me realise this, everytime anybody using the MSM speaks because of all previous issues just reinforces the concept of another lie and hey it could even be the truth one day.

    So Cameron, scenario, on a photo shoot with a child, you know it is a pretend stunt you can see the evil glow in his eyes. The next time you view Cameron in the same light, wahaaaaay now he grew a pair of horns and a pointy tale confriming the devilish eyes. The next time he speaks I expect to confirm he has breath and smells of sulphur. Can you view the reinforcement process.

    So to the article and Cameron, hmmm, all the traits for some are now totally complete you know he looks, smells and talks like a demon already so what gives over the EU. Psychological ploy, wait for the big sell out soon and this is to prepare us for just that.

    A demon trying to justify a certain position you know it is something far more than that and the best thing Cameron should do is take a vow of silence to stop reinforcing mentally what everybody is slowly piecing together for themselves.

  6. @KJH.A very good point,with Russia and China in the vanguard.Mind you,Hollande’s fascist government is threatening to cut all power supplies to Parisian shops,attempting to advertise at night their range of bourgeois products.

  7. as much as I like this blog, the bizarre fascination with leaving the Euro seems at odds with the rest of it.

    Whilst you reasons for wanting to leave are your own, and I’m not exactly a fan of the undemocratic way that European parliament seem to conduct their business, there are benefits TO being a member, least of all having more clout than we currently enjoy. UKIP members, i’m afraid to say that we do not have the clout that we once did, nor will will be that Empire that your rose tinted spectacles appear to see when you look around you.

    Also, I don’t think that hte other thing about pulling out entirely would bring; namely, 1.8 milion brits abroad would would need repartriating, along with the millions of other EU memberstate citizens who presumably be no longer welcome; some with thriving businesses. Exactly what’s your plan to deal with this?

    There’s an excellent piece in this week’s economist that covers these points and more, in a pretty objective fashion, IMO pros and cons – http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21567914-how-britain-could-fall-out-european-union-and-what-it-would-mean-making-break

    • The Economist is not neutral; they are highly pro-EU. No-one would be forced to return to the UK. We have no “clout” whatsoever. The EU is a dictatorial super-state; no negotiation is possible, unless it reinforces the power of the state. The rest of your post is drivel.

      • Purely as a matter of tactics when they need our trade even more than we need theirs and we have an imbalance with them, the next few years would be as good a time as any to negotiate the free trade area we want. Agree that we have no clout and that is our biggest problem, believing that we do have it and feeling the need to “punch above our weight”.

      • Great to see that the spirit of debate is alive and well! You think we’d have more ‘clout’ as a trading partner with not just the EU, but the rest of the world if we left the EU, then? That the US would find more value in us if we went it alone?

        Would love to hear your reasoning related to not ‘forcing’ people back to the country – at the very least, they’d need visas in order to remain where they are, would they not? The reason that people are free to go where they please within the EU at the moment is absolutely down to the fact we’re a member of the Union – take that away and this right is removed. What is it that makes you absolutely sure that people would be allowed to remain where they are, not only here, but those of us who have chosen to live abroad? At least humour me on that point.

      • This is the publication that supported the Labour Party and Britain’s entry to the euro. They like big theories and big ideas because it makes them feel important. They’d all be out of a job if we did what we should do, and balanced the books and ran the economy sensibly from day to day, rather than the endless crystal-ball gazing and hocus-pocus theories that these prats come up with.

      • Old Soldier
        Got it in one.

        orbital10 (No reply against your post)

        Spain, Italy, Cyprus, France etc would not kick out expats – they need the money. The loss of three million jobs is a scare story, as the EU would lose far more than that if it entered a trade war with the UK. They won’t of course, because it would leave them on a collision course with GATT and the rest of the regulators out there.

        M

    • Why are you so alarmist about pulling out Orbital10? Have you no confidence in our ability to be self reliant as a country? We are always going to be geographically part of Europe and interact with it. It’s the political union we want rid of – as indeed do many other European citizens and who might well join us if we broke free because we would be the natural lead country of the ‘outies’. But people will still travel back and forth across the channel. We will still trade, we can still have continental friends and there will still be international businesses. All these things happened before the EU you know, you can get along with the neighbours without sharing the same house.

    • @orbital10. We lost an empire, then we lost a commonwealth. We’re still here.
      Are you trying to tell us that quitting the pathetic vanity project called the EU is so going to be devastating ? Remember Churchill … “Some chicken; some neck.”

      • There never really was a “British Empire”. It was a loose arrangement of states/nations/peoples whose sole real connection was the trading relationship (open to all until after WW1) with the UK. There never was an “empire” in the sense that there was control by Britain-there wasn’t even a common currency. Even in India (the most important part) control was largely indirect-which presumably is why the whole thing lasted so long.
        The EU could learn a lot about how to get disparate entities to have something in common-but it won’t because its leaders are stupid. Mutual prosperity brings people together-not laws.

      • don’t get me wrong; as stated above, I am not a fan of the current set up of the European parliament. It’s incredibly undemocratic, and no good for anyone. the CAP seems to be a way of propping up France’s farmer’s and not much else, and is bad for everyone. And letting in any country into the union who wants in without checking them properly first, out of political politeness? Absolute BS.

        However, I’m in favour of the concept of a single state. If we could burn the thing to the ground and start again, I’d be more than happy to support that, however, pulling out of what we have is not a sensible move. Or, at least, the motives that people currnetly have based around, ‘empire’, keeping the queen’s head on the currency, ‘bloody immigrants coming over here and taking our jobs’ and other such emotive nonsense is a facile and disingenuous way of arguing for leaving the Euro. Sadly, it’s all UKIP has. Tug at the heart strings. Same way that Theresa May is arguing for the snooper’s charter at the moment – don’t have a reasonable debate about it; write a op-ed piece in The Sun about paedos and terrorists instead.

    • Are we to understand that leaving the EU would cause the expulsion of all British ex-pats in Europe? Is this really the nature of those who would govern us? As for the UK lacking clout, Tennyson put it thus;

      Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and tho’
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;

    • @orbital10
      What is with this ” Britain is no more an empire”? I was born in the seventies and apart for the history of it, I don’t know life in Britain other than as it is and has been over the past forty years or so.
      I have never been given a vote on Europe of any real significance and I think it is about time the people of this country have a choice, our choice not the politicians/corporates choice.

      As for the 1.8m ex-pats living in Europe, what about the 65m living in Britain.

      And no I am not a little Englander. We live in a great country, fact ., we just need to regrow our backbones.

  8. @M25.’bizarre fascination with leaving the Euro’.What are you smoking?The Economist’s offices are still on coke,in discussing ‘the project’.

  9. All of it irrelevant, the plans are laid, the plot is ongoing, we, as citizens have no choice about what is about to take place. Fortunately, or unfortunately the ordinary person in the street has no idea what soon is about to take place. No one questions the the confidence of Barroso or Van Rompuy why? Because they are only going forward, they know what’s coming, it isn’t what most commentators expect. To resist is pointless, we must accept our place in history, this isn’t going change, the course is set. People talk about ‘upsets’ unforseen consequencies, haha! all bollocks.

    • @John “To resist is pointless, we must accept our place in history”… What exactly do you mean by “our place”?

      Though reluctantly I am inclined to agree with you concerning the Plan, there is absolutely nothing this totalitarian, ossified and increasingly irrelevant multi-state construction euphemistically called the EU has to offer us. We shall most likely be bankrupt whether in or out, so I wouldnt look to the EU to save us from anything.
      Have you met @Shakespeare of the DT? You sound just like him.

    • Reply to John,
      A timber-framer once told me he had found a coin in a building that was dated 1651. He further stated that it had the King’s head on it. When I questioned this he asked why, to which I answered that in 1651 the King didn’t have a head. Any idea why?

  10. I would have thought government by fax would suit Cameron very well. He could give up completely trying to think for himself, which he seems to have so much trouble with. He wouldn’t even need to go through the motions of trying to weigh up Britain’s interests – he could just follow his orders to the letter! What an utter plonker the man is.

    • Nah – he’d miss the photo opportunities showing himself as a major player on the world stage…… after all….. all he’s got left is a smile…….. bit like Gordon had really………….

  11. the mans got more shit on his hands trying to cover up Osbourns past, when the big O’s relationship with fraudsters, bankers and money laundering from the Tatton constituency becomes public knowledge big Dave will have few places to run to, check it out, IB Times, 2 business men have managed to get to the top of the swaps mis selling tree over 1.5 million pounds, in front of a judge and all that, what a shame the business they own was Gaz 55 over 2 years ago and is strictly speaking owned by the RBS, the same bank these 2 business men are suing, great isnt it, they are trying to cover the foot print, something you cannot do if there is paper about, SLOG, check it out. CJ

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  13. Yet in Scotland the debate is whether Scotland is entitled to remain in the union should Scottish independence be achieved. So with the forecasted UK 2015 EU referendum, we may find ourselves in an odd position indeed…

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