For information only, I copied a Sloglink to a senior contact in Goldman Sachs two weeks ago. He emailed back to say that Goldman wouldn’t allow him access to the site.
In China, you can’t receive The Slog. All EU addresses in Brussels and Washington Government offices ban it. It is banned from commenting at The Guardian, and Huffington Post. If you leave a Sloglink at Huffpost, it will be automatically erased. The Financial Times will not allow anyone to say ‘bollocks’, even though virtually nobody today would be offended by the word in a well-argued context. No Newscorp title allows any leaving of live links to other sites (The Times itself is, like the FT, behind a paywall).
If, using my own pc with its clear relationship to The Slog’s identity, I Google even well-known political sites in Germany, I get redirected to an Austrian site for gays. While this suggests that even spooks have a sense of humour, it does make the flesh creep to discover that using someone else’s pc allows me to get through straight away.
No member of UNITE the Union can follow Slog links in the office. Nor can anyone working for at least two big UK banks – which (if nothing else) shows that my detractors are econo-politically eclectic.
I could go on and on with the list of those who refuse to allow access to the site. I find it flattering, but above all worrying, that a site this small in the greater scheme of things is worth their attention – whoever ‘they’ are. Commercially, cyber-banning (and deliberate blocking) is now an industry in its own right. The Russians, Chinese and Americans lead the way in this area, as they do in the area of cyberblagging crime. Talk to any senior UK policeman off the record, however, and he or she will tell you that Merrie Olde Britannia is pretty clueless in this area.
Blacking out what The Other Side says has become one of those activities where the unthinking no longer even discuss the right of every individual to receive news of no real threat no national security. Instead, they do presentations to equally morally dead clients about ‘incoming traffic purity’ and other such Orwellian tosh. I think this reflects the growing trend over the last decade away from debate among equals, towards the trashing of those designated ‘the enemy’. In economics, climatology, nuclear generation, social ideology, finance, and of course politics, it is a slanging match between two sets of tiny, extreme minorities, during which the rest of us remain unrepresented.
Think for a minute or two about that deadly combo of adjectives: censorious and unrepresentative. They are two of the prime requirements – along with dictatorial elite megalomania, and a distracted electorate – required for the easy creation of a totalitarian State. With the arrival of casual cyber-blocking, Britain has the full set. We’re not the only ones – but we are worse than most.
This oddly mechanical approach to denying access to objective analysis produces insane combinations of policy and ‘correctness’. Observations about them are waved away in a blasé manner by everyone from Dan Hannan to Harriet Harman, but they are no less real for all that. Hannan himself is an interesting case in point, in that he is both wronged and wrong. Those self-same Leftists who claim to be pacifist – and emit affected shock at the use of words like housewife or immigrant – are quite happy to call Dan ‘Tory scum’ and carry placards saying ‘Smash the Government’. Whereas while Mr Hannan gleefully retweets everything these knuckle-heads tweet at him, he is very careful never to retweet a reasoned deconstruction of his viewpoint.
Of late, the chorus of those Slog threaders trying to put me into the cyber-banner sin-bin has become inordinately loud – dare I say, suspiciously so. Their chief inabilities are the wilful refusal to accept that first, breaking the site’s comment rules with personally offensive resentment of myself and others is, um, breaking the rules. So they get banned from commenting. As I’ve said before, this is culling, not censoring. And second, that The Slog is genuinely unaligned with either mainstream political philosophy in the West.
At best, such is seen as indecisiveness on my part, and at worst as a lie. Put simply, if they’re Left wing I’m really a closet Nazi; and if they’re Right Wing, I’m just a fluffy old Leftie pretending I’ve changed but I’m still the same Commie bastard really. Now any even cursory perusal of the site content would tell a balanced reader that it is oligarchic, privileged and unacountable Establishments that I am against; and that what I’m for is the removal of all monied and other power influences upon the political process. But the charges continue anyway. In these cases, my tendency to ban such threaders is more often than not based on a sort of informal Mental Health Act.
Now and again, however, evidence rears its extremely ugly head (evidence is near-universally ugly, because it tends to confirm the existence of things we wish weren’t there) and in the case of Troll-swarms at The Slog, there’ve been one or two odd patterns of late. The one that has me most worried is a correlation between comments to the effect that “You’ve sold out, I used to like this site but now it’s obvious you’re really working for Them” and the cloning of some of my now largely redundant Microsoft Outlook email addresses. (They’re redundant, by the way, because Microsoft blocked my send capability after a few probing pieces about Bill Gates, anti-Trust bribes and so forth. It’s all part of the same syndrome.)
My assumption is that these are all the same sender, but one is still left asking why anyone could hate a blogger so much, he would keep on going to the trouble of inventing aliases all designed to persuade regulars that (a) my facts are wrong or (b) I’m some kind of Fifth Columnist. In short, my suspicion is that the person is a professional troll – ie, he works for someone with a broader agenda. One must watch and see: at the moment, I have an open mind. But a female Blogista remarked to me recently that she suspects the same concerted attempt to spin against her.
It simply won’t do to dismiss this as paranoia. The recent Bell Pottinger revelations showed how perniciously history itself was being written by some of the Bell-ends. It became obvious that Lord Bell’s ‘pr’ company was corrupting Wikipedia entries about an Asian country whose completely illiberal and torturous regime were paying him fat fees. It has always, I’m sad to observe, been obvious that Tim not so much lacks a moral compass, as refuses one on the grounds of them being surplus to his ethical requirements. But there are legions of folks around far, far worse than Tim Bell.
Every major comms service provider on the Net now cooperates with (indeed, gives 100% unfettered access to) the security services in every country where it has a business base. Over the past seven years to my certain knowledge, we have been told so many blatant lies about the cybernation of surveillance, it is no longer valuable to point them out: people either don’t care, or already know. It’s roughly on the same level as saying “the EU hates democracy”. For anyone even half-awake with an IQ over 80, it’s obvious.
In my days as a Student (when I was a liberal, but miles to the Right of most of my peers in the Politics Department) the standard response to any rebuttal of Soviet or Maoist or Trotskyist claims was either (1) to yell “Fascist!” or (2) to describe in an intolerably patronising manner how and why one was the sadly misguided victim of Western propaganda. I remember one particular chap at the time telling me, “There are no facts. Facts are a myth. All truth is relative”. He retired recently, having spent most of his working life as a foreign currency buyer for the Bank of England. So it’s highly likely he still thinks this to be true.
Two things have made the reality (and potential effect) of ‘propaganda’ more real fifty years on…even though, ironically, the word used these days is ‘virtual’. The first is 24/7 news stations, preferring as they do speed and quantity over considered analysis. The outcome of this is the vastly increased ability to tell a dramatic lie and remain undetected…in other words, for ridiculous shibboleths to become received truth. The second – less well understood, but even more Stasi-like in its ability to keep like-minded people apart and dismiss the truth – is proactive cyber truth-bending, blocking and fact invention. This is now the big growth area.
I realise I have blogged this point many times before, but please allow me to say again that, if we care more about our liberties and personal dignity than we do for political affiliation, the internet remains the home of the Real Opposition. However, if we want to have an effect on the culture and constitution of our various societies, there are in turn two realities to face.
The first is that the pressure will be more valuable if it is applied to those who fund (by which I mean bribe) the Establishment. The second is that we all need to raise our awareness of when dirty tricks are in play…and how to combat them.
Anyone in good mental health is rightly suspicious of conspiracy theories. But over the last five years, senior civil servants, MPs, globalist media owners, bankers and governments have shown themselves to be pretty adept at conspiring. And the real inequality in Western society – that placed before the law – has shown how profoundly unwilling Estalishments are to prosecute wrongdoers.
Twas ever thus, but twas never as well armed as it is today. Think on it.


The IT systems in most corporate type work places, whether public or private sector will not allow access to any social networking sites or most sites.
Spot on, we didn’t want the staff wasting the company’s time!
Well, no, quite so.
There again – it could be costing you ‘company time’. A lot of IT folks interact online to assist each other when they have an issue which is hard to track down………..there is usually someone out there who has seen it before ! Saving a lot of ‘company’ time sorting out problems…………..but then maybe you wouldn’t like ‘your employees’ helping out another companies ‘employees’ where the interaction assists both sides at times.
You win some you lose some……..
Some go as far as blocking access to certain sites within the company! Also, there is the IT money making racket that makes the public sector slaves to the governments choice of IT PROCURMENT. Experienced IT staff are pushed aside to let, out side IT companies grab the control of all data bases- excel sheets and Aps. If a public servant loses data by what ever means it is instant dismissal – not so if you are a huge company and have a smart contract (signed by an fking idiot) to protect your zillion quid you robbed from the service. Think BIG think NHS think IT CONTRACT worth millions which is deemed – NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE!.
John I would like to share something with you which I think is important. A few years ago my comp was hacked, I was unaware, until my friend( male and married) let me read disgusting emails send from my email inbox ( photographic evidence was provided). Ofcourse he and his wife were convinced that it was not me because I WAS IN HOSPITAL on life support at the time!. No one else has access to my computer because it was smashed to smitherines in an accident! So, if it were not for these two mitigating factors who knows what they would have thought, ofcourse, out of character for me, it may have sewn a seed of doubt. Having said that, I remain unconvinced that the Government’s of the world and narccistic individuals are using blogs to attack and control the many who do not share their point of view and China isn’t the only country who do this, their behaviour during the Olymprix in their country was nothing short of shocking, but munny is munny in any colour. So they go with that- not to mention that lil bear bug the human rights issue! As far as MSM snubs are concerned, does it not make you smile that over 3 milion hits were made on your site without milllions spent in advertising? take a bow and laff them off!
isn’t it so sad when claiming your “inner child” is “anti-establishment” means your inner daughter (or son) is not really a blogger, but at the age of 56 is still simply a sad, impecunious whore in search of the next john, with whose money she/he will purchase her/his next fix? MEET THE FOKKENS, folks!
Looks like the “author”, whose life story is “I am to the alzheimer of thatcher; however I waltzed with Clinton and Blair in my youth” is reliving his past in a haze of psychotropic babble about the “establishment” — meaning Time Magazine or The Economist made him redundant after an all-too-lengthy tenure of several weeks (let us thank our lucky stars that this devotee of Ayn Rand’s tenure with said titans of twaddle was brief, albeit inglorious) — and that conspiracy theory is alive and well in all corners of cyberspace (in this instance, in the far right corner).
there is no “battle for liberty” here – there is only a battle for standards of decorum, of decency, of communication, and the need to return either to a semi-official “standard” of knowledge (encyclopedic or not) or an admittance that we are living in the Wild West of thought, and that any two-btt sheriff may pin a brass button on his collar and call it a badge, waddle down Main Street and call in foreclosures in the name of any government supported bankster death squad.
if you don’t care for the current regime, get up off your fat duff and take to the streets and PROTEST the lawlessness of the right wing you support, mr. “diary of deception” – I believe we are discussing self-deception in this instance.
i actually have a name, rather than a “moniker” on the internet – and I am not afraid to publish who I am and what I believe – all of you hiding behind your firewalls of fallacy take note — it is ok to admit to your beliefs. In olden days, pundits “hid” behind their pseudonyms – but the public knew who they were, regardless of the veil of secrecy — so STAND UP AND BE COUNTED, or are you ALL afraid of the death squads? Have we really come so far so fast?? Don’t cry for me, Argentina….
Great post John and even a cynical old bastard like myself was surprised at the evidence of how deep the penetration goes. But it does raise the idea of a little money earner for those with some free time. Where do we apply for paid work as trolls? If the idiots are throwing it around they might as well throw some my way.
Don’t use Google for searches.
Use DuckDuckGo or Ixquick. You still get google results but without the google tracking and ads. (AdBlock Plus is good also).
Never underestimate the dogged determination of a troll. They are like stalkers. You provide a meaning to their miserable lives. They will enjoy meticulously tracking you hour by hour for years.
All these companies that try to ban access to sites they disaprove of are just annoyances. As soon as the staff use another computer the access is clear. To some extent I can agree with companies trying to minimise the amount of worktime that staff waste wandering about the interwebs. ;)
Also if wanting to hide who you are, try hotspot shield VPN (It is free and has annoying adds but) lets you get to places where you would otherwise be recognised and blocked. I use it for You Tubes which are not available in this country most……….but could probably get you through a lot of the sites which ban you from posting……..there are better if you want to pay however whereby you can come in from different directions (servers in various countries) to make things even more fun for the censorship kings.
Oh, and if your searches still get redirected after changing to Ixquick, then you need your computer disinfected.
The FT will not allow anyone to use the word bollocks? Funny, they happily allow the excellent Lucy Kellaway to make use of the word f*** ( without the asterisks ).
The whole content of the FT can be described as bollocks tbh
John, you have PCs (rather than Macs?) in both France and the UK? Who are the ISPs? Because I can understand how your readership might get blocked. But diverting your Google searches is quite a bit different. Are you sure that you are clear of viruses, malware etc? And what form does email blocking take? There are various US domains with whom I can’t communicate but that’s because my domain and theirs screw up the mail protocols. Nothing to do with being blocked.
Any blocking or diversion can only operate on the basis of an IP address. So have you tried subscribing to an anonymising service? Not expensive and there are tangential benefits. Like being able to get to IPlayer in France.
Free – if you download and run the Tor Browser Bundle. No installation required.
https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en
The more I think about this the more puzzled I become. So rather than assume that it’s all TPTB let’s look for simpler alternatives. First because I don’t think that you are really that significant in the scheme of things. Interesting yes but a threat? I think not.
If I had such power I certainly wouldn’t advertise the fact by using cheap tricks such as the gay Austrian diversion. So what is the German website you are looking for? Why don’t we all have a go? And what is the Austrian website you get directed to? Have you put the German address directly into your browser?
And Microsoft blocking your outward emails? Microsoft are not involved in what you send. Your version of Outlook interacts directly with your ISP using POP3 protocol. Nothing to do with Microsoft. So what exactly are the symptoms of these ‘blocked’ mails? Which domain are they going to? What port are you sending on? Three, Orange and some others can give odd effects using port 25 which is the default.
Yep, Tor browser as BillK suggests: https://www.torproject.org/
That is indeed correct. I am an IT professional and I can state positively that there is no way that Microsoft could block outgoing emails
mh505
I think you are a political spy trying to throw us of the scent!
mh505 is that code for 007?
I begin to think that the dumbing down of education is a main part of the problem. Some people can no longer argue but only assert. It is very difficult to have a polite, principled disagreement of opinion on political, moral or philosophical matters any more. On another site I have just attempted a reasoned refutation of the eugenic arguments for abortion, whether selectively by the state on social/medical grounds or as a “reproductive right” or “lifestyle choice” (also a death-style choice for the voiceless unborn). I did this courteously and showed respect for my opponent’s views (I thought) and did not invoke a deity, although the example of a friend looking after a helpless, sick parent without asking for state permission to bump him off was mentioned. The response was to be called a Moron and believer in “the Sky Fairy” and to be challenged to say whether I had been “brainwashed” (Horror of horrors) as a Roman Catholic. (As it happens, I am not but do not differ much from the traditional view, once held by all Christians everywhere). Ad hominem attack trump logic, apparently.
Happily, another atheist, a more civilised chap, has weighed in to rebuke the angry, taunting disbeliever in the “Sky Fairy” . Unfortunately, it seems to me, the mindset of the first atheist is much more likely to predominate in positions of official censorship. You may have to be quite clever to rise high in the public service but the possession of civilised values and independence of mind is likely to prove a bar to promotion. From the EU through climate change to basic engineering of society and humanity itself, the censors and would-be censors are in power. I recommend CS Lewis’s short booklet “The Abolition of Man” to get hold of the basic idea which motivates them and their masters.
The Assange affair is a particularly interesting inrespect of “opinion management”. The Torygraph has a piece saying that Ecuador is effectively a hypocrite, blah, blah, blah for the stance it is taking.
Naturally it does not address the simple fact that if a point is correct, who actually says it is of no consequence-a classic case of play the man not the ball. In fact most of the MSM are anti-Assange-so they’ve been warned off. It is so blatant as to be counter-productive, I’d have thought.
And the sight of Hague “warning” Ecuador was positively vomit-inducing, the pompous little prat. Nothing is so risible as our rulers pretending they still run the British Empire and are therefore of consequence, when in fact they are in power in a bankrupt nation which they do not know how to fix.
The Assange affair is monumentally dispiriting in that it shows the craven way that things are being managed by the UK and Swedish governments to serve authoritarian US interests of dubious legality. Couple that with all the other moves there (NDAA, drone killings etc.) and we are truly entering unexplored territory in the so-called Anglo Saxon world. Control of the internet by dubious interests is all part and parcel of the same dark trends.
Assange is wanted for questioning. The Swedish WWII nazi sympathisers will send him to the US, should he be extradited. Guaranteed.
I was watching apiece on Newsnight the other evening about Assange. My immediate thought was ‘Well, if the Swedish Police only want to question Assange, why can’t they come to London and question him in the Ecuadorian Embassy?’
Interesting how the US is so keen to get hold of Assange for exposing war crimes and yet can’t be bothered with Corzine, who openly STOLE $200 million of client’s money
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-assange-or-corzine
As time goes on, I find myself more morally repulsed by the behaviour of the US, and the UK is not far behind.
DavidC
I think you have the right of it there, ES. I don’t know whether the state of education is a symptom or a cause, but you are certainly correct that few people today are able to debate from knowledge. We have become a shallow society where the assertion of parroted ‘facts’ that agree with or support our preconceptions and prejudices is what passes for reasoned argument when the truth is people have little real knowledge nor any true understanding of the subject they expound on.
Gone are the days when people would seek both sides of an argument, deliberately look for relevant facts and statistics and try to not allow existing prejudice to colour their conclusions.
Not even our MPs today, let alone the media and TV, can rise above cliché, assertion and unreasoned belief to make an argument. Previously constrained to religious belief and the eco-nut fringe, the fundamentalist mindset has triumphed in politics, most of the softer sciences, environmentalism and finance, such that logic and analysis no longer hold sway over whatever the received wisdom of the day is.
Reply to Jon’s 2nd above
My dear old thing, would you mind awfully reading the post again, and then not suggesting that YOU all try these links? I already wrote to say that when I link from ANOTHER PC it works.
I did read it all and I don’t doubt that it works from another PC. But Mr Ockham says that the problem isn’t axiomatically TPTB; It could also be malware. So have you tried the German address directly into the browser address bar? That way it won’t involve Google (or the spooks) at all. Do try it.
Not going to try accessing it directly? Maybe because a bit of undetected malware is sooo less cool than intervention from TPTB?
The Abolition of Man by CS Lewis – thank you very much, I have found a free download of it, if anyone else wants to read it:
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CEsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2FTheAbolitionOfMan_229&ei=a40wUPCiNqr80QW8xIDgDA&usg=AFQjCNFBJ7ZX7fvxFRGmYZNicKImeGrhLQ&sig2=P3mqaYebWu40ykKGAOcyIA
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“Hide my Ass” is good.
It’s like a VPN
Just because you’re paranoid it doesn’t mean that someone isn’t out to get you. Keep buggering on, John.
Paranoids only think everyone is out to get them. Wizards know it. :)
JW , I said yesterday you’d exposed a raw nerve- your piece today suggests several. Keep up the good work.
Good afternoon.
Mr slog, have you ever heard of Bluecoat?
It is basically a firewall that keeps Europe seperate from the likes of China and even the United states to a certain extent. What is most interesting, is those who run this Bluecoat and the company names in the past that have evolved up to the present day situation.But your superior skills in the reasearch department would probably find out much more than the basic knowledge of its existence that I possess.
Farewell.
Good read John.
And as regards the “the march of the troll(s)” on these comment boards recently: genuine contributors (both old and new) have noticed the same issues you have. The increased negative atmosphere and lack of respect on the part of certain folks (the identifies of whom are pretty obvious). Thankfully, the more bile they spew forth, the less effect it has and gradually I think they are being tuned out. Multiple identities or not, their “smashing personalities” shine through.
And if your suspicion of them being a professional troll doing the bidding of a higher power is true…how sad is that?! What do they say to their loved ones when they’re asked how work was?
“it was great dear, I was a complete a**ehole all day to loads of people whom I’ve never met in person”.
If that the case, then way to go “unidentified assailant”, your mother must be so proud of you.
“What do they say to their loved ones when they’re asked how work was”
LOL I always wondered that about Albert Pierrepoint. I knew a bloke once whose mother used to tell her friends her son was “something in the city”.
He was actually one of those johnnies who wear a top hat and red coat outside the Lloyd’s building.
http://socialmediadiyworkshop.com/2010/03/blog-trolls/
…sounds familiar?
BTW John: you may have brought up a great idea re:trolls on the Obama comment thread last night. Specifically, the dumba** posting as your dog. the simple question of “yes/no ban” to others on the board might work quite well in future? Seems like democracy being put to good use.
I probably come under the category of a lurker who rarely posts on many blogs because I find the whole Left v Right debate frustratingly sterile.
Indeed the conventional Left v Right political bipolarism seems to be breaking down. This is
a) frightening to many people who’ve known nothing else in their life
b) threatening to those whose positions in power structures depend on the institutions of bipartisan poltics.
I don’t find The Slog to be biased in favour of the Left or the Right. It is (rightly in my view) biased AGAINST those who maintain their positions in power structures through obfuscation, subterfuge and outright lying. Along with ZeroHedge (among others) I read The Slog to help me resolve the cognitive dissonance caused by too much exposure to the MSM.
O/T perhaps but while I’m here I’d like to thank the posters from Greece, whose comments have the feel of dispatches directly from the frontline.
100% agreed. It’s fascinating to hear from people there, though I wish troika had never started destroying their nation so their contributions didn’t have to exist.
Yes. That.
You have no idea how much that means to all of us here… I actually can tell some of the older folks in my village, and people that wonder what the world is thinking… that there ARE folks out there that DO care, and are NOT blind… thank you so, so much!… it makes us all feel less alone.
How can I help?
Just tell people the truth… for reasons I can’t fully understand the very powerful German, American, and British medias have engaged in a pretty consistent course of character assassination against Greeks for over 3 years… and it has been successful… although in every country on earth Greeks immigrate to they are known as some of the hardest working, law abiding, and productive members of those society’s… the propaganda has been so successful that the same people that think of Greeks in their country as being hard working… believe that somehow Greeks IN Greece, are lazy, corrupt, thieves… living a life under the sun at the beach while they drain Germans of their taxes… we have been vilified much in the same way Jews were vilified by the Nazi govt. in the months and years leading up to their being rounded up for encampment… Jews were described as thieves, and cheats… draining the life’s blood from the “good” Germans… even accused of stealing baby’s and all kinds of ridiculous slanders… in this way it is always easy for a large group to target and destroy a smaller group without risking being considered a bully… by demonizing and slandering the group… they shape their propaganda as the “bad” people that are stealing from the “good” people… always designed to put the focus away from the bully… usually engaged in some behavior they don’t want exposed… just tell people you meet the truth… Greece was singled out as a scapegoat for all the evils in the EU… much the same way Jews were in WWII for all the evils of Germany.
@Cap’n Y
Well said me old chappie :)
@Capt Yossarian
If you want to pigeon-hole JW politically, as I see it he is pretty much the embodiment of a 19th. century Social Liberal, which observation is not meant to be insulting or demeaning in any way, he hastily adds :-). Classic Capitalism, Mutuality, Self-responsibility, Self-determination, Civic Duty, Welfare provision for the deserving and so on. I don’t know if he would agree, but I think it pretty much sums up his POV.
The left-right political divide is largely an illusion, a figment of political parties trying to appear different from the others. As far as I can see ALL the developed world governments are social democrat, and have been since 1945 with the possible exception of the post war Labour administration. Take the current Tory/Labour economic divide, they both agree on all the fundamental aims; protect the financial industry, subsidise big industry, reduce welfare costs, eliminate the deficit, reduce government debt, waste billions on windmills, pass as many costs to the taxpayer as they can get away with and so on. The differences are marginal and boil down to time-scales and methods of implementation. At the end of the day they stand, with the LibDems, for Big Government, Big Regulation, Big Welfare, Big Service Provision, High Tax, More EU and a healthy dose of Authoritarianism, the classic Social Democratic mix of guaranteed failure in the long term.
Surely by definition a black-ops troll must be a trollop…….
Brilliant! LMAO
I like the slog and i will keep on coming and reading no matter how many trolls , psychotics or bedweters come and try to disrupt it .
Ahahahahahaha… “bedwetters…” BRAVO.
The one thing that prevents me being convinced that it is a good sign and therefore proof that you are getting to the real ar***oles in the right way, is that the Trolls are so bloody juvenile and ineffective, it is incomprehensible that anyone would endure their support before firing them and getting in someone with a brain.
So the likely explanation is that they are just rather sad childlike souls who crave adult attention and aren’t equipped to get it in a worthwhile way.
Or they’re on minimum wage and thus not overly motivated.
Ahahahahaha
If the purpose was simply to muddy the water, using morons to flounder about would make sense.
I always find your blogs interesting, entertaining and informative.
Long may you write them.
You should be flattered that some people want to stifle them.
“Persecution is the proof of righteousness.”… on a separate note… this is the first time I have ever posted on a blog, so I never had experience with trolls, etc, and I must admit I have been baited to engage in their reason defying gibberish… WOW… the only thing I can add to this is that I believe some of these guys must be paid from some kind of right/left wing think tank cyber ops people or something… I must admit though, I only really think that may be true because of the sheer veracity, and commitment to being douchebags they show… I mean no one could be that much of an asshole without getting paid for it, right?
Vre Ioanni , you cant tell an amateur asshole from a pro ?
Ahahahaha… I try to steer away from both if I can!
Ioanni , have you ever heard about this man that taught his asshole to type ? he could move his whole abdomen up and down , farting out words straight onto the keyboard .Ah vre Ioanni , was something unlike anything you have ever read .The words , typed , you could almost smell them !After a while the ass could do it on its own .He would type without any preparation or thinking . He thought was so cute that he built a whole act around it , go into blogs , post , use several names , farting loud , wanting rights , posting day and night .He was out of control .The main time all the rest of the man’s organs were blocked , atrophied , the brain ,could not give orders anymore , the eyes , sealed off ,he couldnt see, suffering , trapped , silent , only his ass kept on typing ….” doggy biscuits …” , ” yip yip yip yes ” , ” exposed socialists ” …….
What a sad story vre Ioanni , very sad ….
“… only his ass kept on typing ….” AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Ohhhhhh popo! too funny re Yana!!!
Yana, do you suffer from tinnitus?
Hi John. Sorry to see that BT has lost it big time, must be the “right wing” paranoia. You are quite right to block his lunacy but we can expect him to demonstrate his flakey mastery of all his hundreds of persona. Lets hope one of them is more akin to the thoughtful personality he evidenced in the distant past. Keep banning and deleting, its the only way to generate a decent debate to your posts.
The trouble with trolls posting drivel is that it is a form of insanity and they can keep it up for years. Yes, you need to just keep deleting their ravings, but try and automate it as much as possible. Doubtless you have better ways to spend your time. Maybe you could try giving a trusted friend deletion rights to help sharing the workload, until the troll decides to go away and annoy another blog.
Again, I’m not sure the “odd poster” is BT. He seemed to be able to make reasoned arguments-which is no longer the case. It’s all very odd.
Anyway, for my part I always find the Slog informative and above all, thought provoking-even if I don’t agree with the views put forward. God preserve me from boredom and bores!
Don’t worry, I’m sure your real readers can spot a troll tool anywhere.
You’re still the slog’s bollocks, mate.
beany is right..these types of issues are common on all sites.
you average slogger will just scroll past.
This is a privately run and owned place. Even if i often have a very different opinion and have my problems with Mr Ward’s way of putting things here and there i still have to respect his right of doing whatever he pleases to do here. If he wishes to ban people it may not be what i suppose is right, and i can go and state my opinion in this regard here if i wish, but nonetheless it is not my business to tell the owner here what to do and what not, even if i completely disagree.
There is one particular guy here with which i constantly run into heavy words, nonetheless i respect him, no matter how annoying i may find his writing. I may be p****d by what he writes here quite frequently but that does not give me any right to dismiss him and his opinion, no matter how much i wish he would shut the f**k up and stop his usual rants. They are his opinion, from his point of view, and i have to live with that and honour his view of things, have an argument with him in rude words or nice ones – or go elsewhere.
There are not that many places on the net where one can get so informative, amusing, misinformed, biased, angry and annoying writing. I really like it somehow, the comments even more so than the original postings of Mr Ward, even if the whole thing often does grate on my nerves – it is far better than the usual flat boring politically correct babble one finds at every corner.
Trolls are usually strange, nerve-wrecking creatures, no matter in which disguise they appear. That is what they are existing for, it is their lives’ purpose. And everyone knows, or should know, that one does not feed trolls and never, ever hands out candy to them. To keep ones peace of mind intact and not getting mental by them being attention-whores and occupying whole blogs over days …
EXACTLY!
+1
Goddam trolls … worse than a team of John Terrys
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John – I know other people have said this, but it sounds like you have malware (quite possibly a rootkit) which is adept at hiding from your anti-virus programs. I would suggest a specialist tool like TDSSkiller (free from Avira), which will find it when your anti-virus is lacking.
I wrote the address of the slog in a Guardian comment I made and it was there for a day, at least. After that, I don’t know. I had to move on. It was the Guardian being ever-so-cautious that was annoying me, so I “redirected” people to the slog, but not with a live link.
This site isn’t always right with stuff, but it does make you think, and helps you to see how things might be happening behind the scenes.
By the way, the ECB doesn’t care about German law (re Eurobonds) in the same way that it doesn’t care about calling the Spanish bailout a bailout, or the bailout of Greek banks a bailout (paid for by the Greek gov).
ever had ARPA control your net access?
Get a techie to root through your computer, maybe at a UK uni.
Ever heard of the ‘Google Redirect Virus’?
Being anywhere near independent of thought makes you the natural enemy of both leftite trolls and the right wing nut jobs John. As a fairly recent newcomer to this blog I find your perspective refreshing. Carry on the good work of upsetting the self righteous,
“If, using my own pc with its clear relationship to The Slog’s identity, I Google even well-known political sites in Germany, I get redirected to an Austrian site for gays.”
“the cloning of some of my now largely redundant Microsoft Outlook email addresses. (They’re redundant, by the way, because Microsoft blocked my send capability”
These items together suggest the simplest explanation is that something is wrong with your pc. How that happened, conspirators, Microsoft reaching in from afar, user error, general malware… who knows.
If I had to guess based on my experience with other people it was either or both of the latter… but I agree it may be difficult to tell the difference between the latter and the former unless you’ve got forensic IT skills.
Having somebody you both trust and who has the skills dig up this evidence as eos67 suggested may not be a bad idea indeed.
Apart from that, I enjoy reading your blog and hope you’ll keep at it.
Hey BT I love you man, but if you modified this quote from Groucho Marx and changed the “will” to will not. ……………..I think it works.
“Please accept my resignation. I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member”.
I have been thrown out of higher class places than the Slog and it didn’t hurt that much. As our monosexual’s are fond of saying “it will get better”.
Thought this might be relevant, to the thread….?
http://www.indiegogo.com/hackitat-a-film-about-political-hacking-world-wide
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Now for anyone who is considering calling JW a socialist in the near future, read the following, then f**k off..
“Those self-same Leftists who claim to be pacifist – and emit affected shock at the use of words like housewife or immigrant – are quite happy to call Dan ‘Tory scum’ and carry placards saying ‘Smash the Government’. Whereas while Mr Hannan gleefully retweets everything these knuckle-heads tweet at him, he is very careful never to retweet a reasoned deconstruction of his viewpoint.”
Slog
I know exactly what you mean. I’ve been trying to get a message out on the internet for quite a while.
When I post it in various online newspapers, that message usually gets deleted and they ban me from commenting any further. I’ve also had problems posting that message in forums – they are all monitored. Some threads where I’ve posted it get archived straight away. One particular thread was running for years and years and there were over 3000 messages but after I posted my message, it was relegated to an obscure section where it gets less notice. It’s pretty much the norm for my message to get deleted. I’ve even had a forum close down so no-one can read what I’ve posted. In the end, I had to harvest email addresses off the internet and settle on spamming thousands and thousands of people to get the message out.
And what is this message that is so offensive?
Folks, I discovered how the WTC was demolished!
Read this article to learn what I found out:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_154.htm
There are links to the 26 part interview at the end of the article.
Be sure to watch parts 4 and 14 which explain how the twin towers and Building 7 were brought down.
Parts 24 and 25 explain that the WTC responders were suffering and dying from chronic radiation sickness and NOT asbestos poisoning.
If you wish to drive a stake into the vampire squid’s heart, pass this info on to other people.
So go and find a blog that is in full alignment with your views and read that instead.
Its not rocket science.
oh god another one…or the same one with new moniker…yawn
Is it Polly Twaddle who preaches left policies whilst sitting in the italian villa and asks in the msm ‘how much tax do you actually pay sir…?’
Not a lot i can tell you.
BT’s baaaa-aaaack…
Hi Lurker
I’m leaving you in for the time being because your unpunctuated, badly spelt drivel needs answering:
1. Your name is a bit of a giveaway, chum.
2. Three months ago I was saying that THE AMERICANS wanted the Greeks out of the ezone within a fortnight. They didn’t get their way. Hillary Clinton is the Sec of State, not me you moron.
3. My French home is not a villa, but the threader clearly resents the fact that I have one because he raises it every time he writes from his little rain-soaked garret in Balham.
4. Whenever events move on, you guys pile in with sh*t like “You’ve been wrong too often”. One, I didn’t sign a contract to supply jerks like you with the definitive view of the future, so don’t sound so holy about it. Two, this site is free and, unlike the eurozone, you can leave whenever you like and never come back again. Three, the jury is still out: when the last page has been written, you can tell me how and why I was ‘wrong’ – with evidence, not assertion, bonehead. And four, a full analysis of my right v wrong count would be helpful. As you raised the point, this is your job, waster.
5. I’ve been a United fan since 1955, I’m a member of several fan sites, and far better connected to the Red Knights than you could ever hope to be. When we finally replace the failed cryogenic experiment previously known as the Glazegoyles, do get back in touch.
I deleted the nasty, whining little Troll (who is, I suspect, your good self) because he was wrong in every last one of his observations, all of which were personal, snide, and against the rules.
Remember rules? They’re the things plastic gnomes like you can’t stand, because what you want is license, not liberty.
And you know what? When everyone else has had a chance to read this response, I’m going to ban you too.
Altergerva narr….oooray!
He’s found someone he disgrees with! Amazing! On the Internet even!
https://xkcd.com/386/
REPOST
JW you appear to have been right to cull BT. Now pretending to be you…. and your dog! Pathetic. What an idiot.
BT may I ask you politely, on behalf of people who enjoy this site, to PISS OFF and not come back.
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Malaka
No that’s coco the dog. Only even less funny or effective.
@BT: enough buddy. Your week in the spotlight must have been wonderful for you. But honestly, where is any of this getting you?
Is anyone listening to you?
Is it satisfying you bosses (if they exist)?
Is it just filling your time?
This seems like an appropriate moment for you to actually add something useful to the debate, not just insults and simplistic left/right labels. If you want to continue the personal attacks then by all means do, just be sure that the more you do it, the less and less effective it becomes.
Sock puppetting for himself
BT you lurker. Give it a rest.
Silly troll… why constantly prove you have a small penis?
Reads like a group effort by a bunch of Adidas two-stripers.
Beats flipping burgers I suppose.
Silly troll… why constantly prove you have a small penis????