THE SATURDAY ESSAY: Forget the debate…Germany will have no choice but to leave the eurozone

Merkel and Schäuble have the will to create a stronger eurozone – but not the means.

At the end of the last Slogpost about Germany, I closed with these words:

‘My source [the 'Bankfurt Maulwurf'] has always maintained that other forces in Germany will steer Merkel away from the rocks. He may well be proved right again. And the only way for her to go would be out of the euro….or a drastic reformulation of its membership. We should all watch out for the signals from Angela Merkel next week.’

As it happens, even before her return on Monday, the concerted leaking from Merkelania has begun. And it seems to me that the message this media-control campaign wishes to convey is, “Germany will walk away if necessary, so just watch it – or else”. The ‘threat’ if you will is that Germany will hold a referendum (on something or other to do with euro-integration, as yet unclear) and go with that decision. All very Pontius Pilate and politically convenient for the Fuhrerin.

We can therefore conclude with a reasonable degree of certainty that the last thing Merkel really wants to do is wash her hands and walk away while others crucify the EU/eurozone Superstate.

But even little Geli the harmless Osti can’t always have what she wants. Let’s examine in more detail why that is.

Over at Zero Hedge, Tyler Durden yesterday said the referendum idea could be Germany ‘preparing the nuclear option’; but he was also sharp enough to deduce that it’s much more likely she and Schäuble would simply use the referendum to show that “the People have spoken – sod the Karlsruhe Court, a new Europe is born!”

The main thing supporting the idea of such a ruse was contained in my last post – namely, the recent Infratest dimap poll for ARD television, which showed beyond any reasonable doubt that, while the Germans want the Greeks out of the eurozone, they want Germany to save the currency. If a referendum was called tomorrow, the Germans would vote overwhelmingly for more Europe – ie, more central control, tougher fiscal rules, and – eventually – the turning of a fiscal union into a sovereign political State.

While this is exactly what global bondholders want (they not giving a toss about liberty, democracy and other pointless obstacles to globalist money-accrual) it would effectively deliver Europe into the hands of two people, Angela Merkel and Wolfgang Schäuble, who have shown themselves to be devious, secretive, no respecters of anyone’s constitution, and Big Stateists. And if you think this anti-Germanism, I suggest you ask a cross-section of intelligent Germans (especially Bundestag MPs) what they think about that opinion.

There is a final piece of evidence about motive for getting ‘popular approval’ of their plans. Very quietly – at least as far as the MSM goes – Schäuble has, with Merkel’s even quieter shuttle-diplomacy help, had him installed as the man who will run the FiskalUnion, should it ever come to pass. Wolfie enjoys the power trip. He wants the job. Angela herself, meanwhile, has a past that screams power-megalo: “never mind which direction we’re headed, I want to be at the wheel”.

It’s important for open-minded readers to weigh these facts carefully. They’re not sensationalist scare tactics, but very serious considerations for anyone still aware enough to care about freedom: Schäuble used to run German Intelligence (as Interior Minister) and Merkel was a hardline Youth leader in East Germany. These folks are not democrats. If it waddles, flies, quacks and swims like a duck, the chances are it’s a duck.

So there you have it: a done deal, German isn’t leaving the euro, and come what may, things will push on towards a Berlin-dominated EU Superstate.

Er, no. In fact, my money is on both these German leaders running out of road sooner rather than later. They may not lose power in Germany, but the big question is, will they get their way in Europe? I think the answer is an emphatic ‘no’. Ultimately, several obstacles will prove insurmountable.

To many Ausländer, the German Constitutional Court in Karlsruhe is a bit of a joke. (To Merkel, it certainly is: she simply doesn’t care to grasp its role in protecting the BundesRepublik from people like her). But to a wide cross-section of intelligent Germans, it is anything but.

Criticism of Germany’s highest court is generally viewed as inappropriate in political circles, for example. And while one sentence attributed to the late Social Democratic Party politician Herbert Wehner – “We won’t allow the assholes in Karlsruhe to destroy our policies” – raises many a smile when menioned, German politicians must tread carefully: because, as polls have shown over and over again, the court’s judges generally enjoy a level of popularity many politicians would remove at least one limb to have.

Three sources (excluding Bankfurt Man) have expressed the view to me in recent weeks that Karlsruhe will deem the ESM to be unconstitutional. And for the Merkeschäuble, that obstacle has the potential to become an unscaleable cliff-face if President Glauck gets involved.

Another tradition of the German constitution is that the Presidency is a titular position only, but Glauck has already splattered that one by formally giving Karlsruhe the green light to hold the ESM up until at least September 12th. While Merkel’s pastor father was in bed with the Stasi in East Germany, Joachim Glauck was an actively dissident Osti. The President doesn’t trust the Chancellor: he knows she’s a power-freak, and she knows that he knows. He may yet choose to set off his own nuclear option if she decides to ignore the Court.

Whatever Glauck and Karlsruhe do or don’t do, the power-battle between Berlin and Frankfurt first examined by The Slog two years ago is still alive and well. For the Bankfurters in general (and Jens Weidmann in particular) the fiscal probity of Germany overrides everything. To them, democracy is a nice-to-have for unscrupulous politicians, but at best it is peripheral to the point…and at worst, a dangerous weapon in the wrong hands. In this, they would have a lot in common with Wolfgang Schäuble: where they differ is what to do about it. Wolfie thinks ‘let’s take over Europe and control these idiots ourselves’. Jens thinks ‘lets GTF out of there before it all goes pear-shaped’.

The odds in this one are, most of the time, stacked against Frankfurt and its fiscal angst. Ordinary citizens rarely listen to medium-term warnings when the short-term looks rosy. But this is where Harold MacMillan’s favourite factor – “Events dear boy, events” – could very easily change everything.

Although Mario Draghi’s Brussels-inspired spin about Spain and Italy not facing bailouts is keeping the markets’ most superficial knuckle-draggers happy for the time being, everyone – without exception – I speak to on a regular basis in various european financial and fiscal roles says eurozone funding simply cannot muddle through this time: there is no economic recovery coming through, and no more costs that can be cut without causing severe damage to the economic infrastructure. Printing money is now the only way ClubMed debt can be cured….except forgiveness of it, which is off every radar on the planet – even though it is the only sensible solution.

The right influential Germans at the right time finding a way to dramatise the certainty of hyperinflation might yet swing the country’s  public opinion there in an entirely different direction. Not only that, were some of the more Bild-like tabloids, at the same time, busy depicting Spain and Italy as money-pits on a scale to make Greece look like a local council budget overspend in Thuringia, the swing would be both huge and rapid. Ironically, the most powerful emotion available for the Merkel opposition to use is the one inbuilt into the German psyche: that latins generally are lazy, disorganised and spendthrift.

Connected to this – and perhaps the biggest single reason why I think the Merkeschäuble’s tank-tread will fall off – is that the real-life balance of power in the EU has now shifted once and for all.  In fact, the emergence of the Hollande-Draghi-Monti-Rajoy axis in my view makes a Cold Civil War in the EU inevitable.

I call them an axis, but in truth it’s a motley crew. Hollande is a dyed-in-the-wool product of France’s elite ENA (Ecole Nationale d’Administration) with middle of the road mid twentieth century bourgeois socialist views – and the author fifteen years ago of a tract predicting that north/south wealth discrepancies in the EU would cause it immense problems. Draghi is a brilliant Anglosaxonist economist, slippery fiscal manager, astute politician, and product of an entirely different school: Goldman Sachs. So too is Mario Monti of Italy, although probably more of a patriot – and in a position to be far more outspoken about what he sees as Merkelian obstinacy. And Mariano Rajoy is an elected politician in a hole deeper than anyone except Antonis Samaras: he desperately needs fiscal help, and he will do anything not to call it a bailout.

The one thing they all have in common is a willingness to compromise, and a recognition that Teutonic inflexibility is getting in the way of that. For reasons ranging from history (France) via local politics (Spain, Italy) to geopolitics (the ECB), they will vote down anything Berlin tries to do, within the confines of the EU Brussels and ECB Frankfurt eurozone structure, to continue imposing draconian discipline on the Clubmeds.

In short, the eurozone remains in the place it’s been inhabiting since the election of Francois Hollande: an insoluble stand-off.

When that reality eventually dawns on a broad enough consensus among Germans of all classes and professions, they will pull out of the eurozone. Once they do that, the EU project is doomed. And once the markets get wind of it, all outcomes will be equally horrific.

There simply is no other possible eventuality. I still think it likely that what I said three months ago will prove to be true: Germany will leave the eurozone before Greece does. As to that exact timing, events could still prove me wrong. But a eurozone with Germany in it cannot, and will not, survive.

In the next few days, I hope to bring even harder evidence to support this thesis: some of it from very surprising sources.

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117 Responses to THE SATURDAY ESSAY: Forget the debate…Germany will have no choice but to leave the eurozone

    • Exports require a low currency, especially while the American economy approaches its next abyss. Thus debt-burdened pigs make the day.

      If Germany ever left the Euro-zone, the wake of that departure would comprise of 27 kinds of wild inflation, allowing Soros and his likes
      to make trillions in aggressive ‘killing’ like vs the UK in the 1990s.

      The “Monty-Crew” mentioned in the above article is actually exactly what Germany needs in order not to pay a damn, thus letting the parasite countries rot-off their hubris fading in to silent black of regained solvency,
      including by means of bankruptcy of the class-based Latin countries.

      • Germany was a major exporter with a high Deutschmark..

      • Germany could get away with a high currency of its own in times when the US economy was rock-solid and growing fast, well before China became a leading exporter. Between 1989 and 2001 (Eurozone introduction) the wake of the DDR kept the DM not too high. Till 1989 Germany enjoyed enough reserves in order to massively subsidize its working class vs. the high DM, yet it paid all it had to the USSR in order to let the DDR break free, and got itself indebted there after restructuring and rebuilding the whole of Europe. Thus a “low” Euro is now necessary, and will be for many decades ahead.

  1. Carys

    So where are we today, John? I must confess to being a bit confused, not just by the endless delaying tactics, but also by the apparent (though probably not real) shift in the balance of power from Germany to Italy plus Spain, with France on the sidelines for the moment. What happens next?

    Well of course there will be more delay as any of Germany’s options is pretty unpalatable to one faction or another, and some to nearly everyone! As I have said a few times, I think, with a stretch, that we can fix the past and the gruesome levels of debt, bank overstretch and so on. At the cost of stripping out pensions and so on. The problem is fixing the future so that it does not all happen again. The Germans would like to concrete the present favourable (to them) situation so that they can keep on exporting away. But that implies a pretty enormous and open-ended subsidy for the south, and we know what happens when you offer something like that. And the Germans know that, too. It will just get bigger and bigger.

    So where to go? My personal view is that the various German courts will not be relevant. Merkel will have understood perfectly well what is happening and cannot launch Germany into a new EU structure against the will of the rather sleepy German population. The next few weeks (or months…) will be crucial. Meanwhile, Spain and Greece are hotting up for a social problem. The Spanish government for whatever reason, they say cash flow, is not paying the €423/month unemployment pay and has not for a couple of months. I can’t think of a better way of stimulating a major protest than taking away the absolute subsistence benefit from the unemployed – even if quite a few of them are working in the cash economy.

  2. Excellent article. The German public do not have a clue what fiscal union would really mean for them. They and their political leaders are very provincial and Merkel has done everything to keep them in the dark.

    When the holidays end Latin Europe needs to print trillions, or default and collapse will ensue very rapidly.

    Draghi is longing for this as it brings the ECB into the role of the Fed another giant goose step towards consolidating banking power.

    Germany may well as you stay step out and live to fight another day, i sincerely hope so.

    • David Smith

      I am quite sure that most Europeans have little idea how economies work, let alone Fiskalunions. Perhaps the British are more aware than most because their prudent savers have seen their incomes squeezed unmercifully. The German worker on the other hand have lost 1,000 euros a year in income over the last 10 or so years, have at least kept their jobs by accepting this. It is part of the price they must pay to remain competitive in this dog-eat-dog world.

      • The Germans have the ‘cushion’ that their welfare system is excellent, their wages higher than UK wages and property prices and rents lower.

        If you were to take 1000 a year off UK workers you would be looking at civil war.

      • Save Penrhos

        could you explain the point you wanted to make, please?

        The Germans may have no minimum wage, but they do have a minimum “income” set in the Grundgesetz, upon which social benefits are set.

      • The point I am making – as you are seemingly lacking the ability to grasp, is that Germans earn higher wages than UK citizens for the same job.

        At the same time their welfare system is superior to the UKs

        At the same time houses cost less to buy and a lot less to rent than in the UK.

        Therefore you can take 1000 a year out of German workers far far easier and with far less social upheaval and backlash than you can with workers in the UK so your argument abot the sacrifices of German workers are by and large not relevant to the UK because Germans remain better off even after 10 years of income decline.

  3. JW – you say “Not only that, were some of the more Bild-like tabloids” – could you name them, please? I am not familiar with the tabloid market, perhaps you are. The only ones I can find are Hamburger Morgenpost and Rheinland, neither of which have a “tabloid” circulation in the manner of the British tabloids.

    To those who do not regularly read Bildzeitung, amongst whom I number, please remember that much of the journalism is at the standard of … The Telegraph. Oops.

    I am not saying that the German press are not describing the peripherals as lazy, unimaginative and falling behind, but they do so in articles far longer and far more detailed than most British newspapers have space or time for.

    • Ioannis

      ” I am not saying that the German press are not describing the peripherals as lazy, unimaginative and falling behind, but they do so in articles far longer and far more detailed than most British newspapers…”

      I’ll explain that to my daughter next time she gets hungry because we are trying to survive over winter after the worst summer season in over 40 years.

      • Oh please please Sir, Sir, Sir,
        Look! No knickers today.

      • Ioannis

        Keep trying… someday you WILL be funny.

      • Ioannis

        you had better explain the actions of your own government at the same time? Oh, and the actions of the privately owned banks that won’t accept any sort of loss on their foolish lending.

      • Ioannis

        Gemz… don’t be a twit… 60% of the people that come to my island, where I live and work are German… since German media started this vicious, inaccurate, and slanderously consistent character assassination of all Greeks (not just the govt.) over started 3 years ago… the life’s blood of many families and business here in my local community that makes it’s living in 5 months of tourism has been destroyed… the articles you so dimly defend are literally causing starvation where I am… I am not kidding when I tell you that this winter will LITERALLY be a test in survival for my family… so if you don’t like the way Germany comes off as a result of it’s propaganda against Greece (which high level Germans are still engaged in, still openly advocating Greece leave… undermining our efforts still)… blow me. When people don’t come here because German media is vindictive, damaging, and worst of all wrong… it literally means less food for Greeks that live in the islands and remote areas that never had any say in what Greek politicians, German politicians, or any other of these assholes decide to do or not… your media’s story reporting… is assisting the downfall of my country… and endangering my ability to provide for my 5 yr. old autistic daughter so… once again, blow me… Germany would not be getting blamed, if they weren’t being such spectacular assholes. Your unreasonable defense of an indefensible, unprovoked attack on a country far smaller, and completely defenseless to Germany’s economic spite is ridiculous and as many have noted, completely betrays your lack of objectivity or adherence to reason.

      • MaxC (UK)

        @Ionnasis. We have wanted a holiday in Santorini for some time but the situation has put us off. Your take on things suggests that we would be making a contribution, however small. What is your opinion of possible troubles for tourists to the islands?
        It would be great to be stranded and unable to get home from Santorini but not if the islanders were already suffering real shortages.

      • Ioannis

        @MAXc… I can assure you that the islands are exactly the same as usual… if anything the prices are better than they have been in years… and of course you would be making a contribution… besides, we love having people come out for the summers… get’s pretty boring on an island over winter! The islands are very different from Athens, or the mainland… we’ve had to make it in spite of Athens’ 2500 years of corruption all this time… and we proudly care for our visitors, regardless of whatever bundle of snakes Athens is juggling.

      • Ioannis

        A comment is a limited space to deal with these issues. I doubt even three years’ research would get either of us any further into what is going on in the German media. The point in what I said was twofold: (1) JW claimed there were several German tabloids, he has not yet come up with an answer to which others he knows about. (2) The average quality of a German newspaper is pretty good.

        None of that thinking in any way affects their editorial policies. That is to say, if the Americans do have a ruling hand, then it will be done with a degree more intelligence than elsewhere – even the US.

        Now: the issue of Greece leaving the Eurozone. Who would profit from this? Not Germany – but someone else we know very well, and who likes sticking their fingers in pies they do not own. For the sake of democracy of course! Look not to what people say, but what they do longterm. That will give you an idea of their character. Their words may change, the way they say them usually does not.

        As to tough winters, what do you think would have happened with a Greek default? Any different? I wonder. That however is pure speculation. That does not make the current situation any easier on you. I have an allotment (council vegetable garden) for that very reason: food in the North cannot be guaranteed even as much as it can in the South where growing seasons are longer. In the UK we were all but self-sufficient as a family simply because people were so poorly paid. It was very hard work, and not always rewarded materially in terms of produce. It took years to establish.

      • @The Real Gemz (aka Troll #35)

        Oh please please Sir, Sir, Sir,
        Look! No knickers today.

        But please do not take off your bra – you will show everyone your socks! What else can a male Troll do?

        http://eintroll.blog.de/2011/12/27/gemz-the-real-one-and-the-kommandant-teil-12357519/

      • Ioannis

        “I am not saying that the German press are not describing the peripherals as lazy, unimaginative and falling behind, but they do so in articles far longer and far more detailed than most British newspapers have space or time for.”

        ” None of that thinking in any way affects their editorial policies. ”

        no matter how many loosely connected words you reply to this with… you are a huuuuuuuge hypocrite. Your own words betray your senseless defense of all things German and proponent of German superiority, in a sense you are pretty typical of your kind.

      • Ioannis

        well then – when you can say things like that … are you beginning to form a picture … about Greece??

      • Ioannis

        Like I said… loosely connected words.

    • John Ward

      Gemz
      Let me give you some advice. I’m now completely confused as to your nationality, but that isn’t the point: Bild is an AWFUL newspaper full of daft stories and tits. The Telegraph isn’t. Perhaps you meant De Telegraaf in Holland, which like The Sun but without the cranial content.
      The advice is this: the reason why so many threaders find you hard to take is that you spray insults all over the place but don’t like getting them back.
      I entirely agree that the British media are dumbed down: but stop rubbishing everything British and putting up all things German as without stain. You make the anti-German case just by coming here…or is it just me, Sloggers?

      • Morningstar

        Agreed + 10,000
        Occassionally adds to the knowledge base – but generally behaves like a troll when Germany has any paint thrown in that direction. I am pretty certain that her ‘trolls’ have become so due to exasperation at her ‘posting ad nauseum’ over any item.
        One or two posts in any thread should be enough to sate her need to join in on the conversation.
        @GEMZ – just for you – We already know that England is not perfect – but neither is Germany.

      • Sebastian Weetabix

        No, it isn’t. I sometimes think the stupid woman is here simply to demonstrate that logic is relative.

      • Morningstar

        Or confirm the ‘Bell Curve’ :)

      • Ioannis

        @MS… PMSL.

      • John Ward

        You did not answer the question I put to you.

        “I entirely agree that the British media are dumbed down” – - – please tell me why this is? Is it by any chance that people prefer this? Or are they given no choice in the matter?

        You are correct when it comes to Bildzeitung; however it is the sole national tabloid in Germany – and however much it is dumbed down, it can still offer some sound reading here and there. That is rather more than any UK tabloid can – now if that is “spraying insults” then insults ought be sprayed. Just because you share the British view of things, does not mean that the UK media will ever be any better just because you think it is.

        Whilst it may not be your view of things, there are those who do. If you have ever given the time to Bild (which would be largely wasted IMHO) you would find articles of the length and quality found in the Daily Telegraph.

        @Morningstair

        Yup. But wait a mo! Do you understand the problems Germany has in any other context than a British one? They are a different nation with different ways of doing things. That is not often taken into account.

      • Ioannis

        Wait!!! I thought it was the Americans fault, eh? You keep saying that the German media is controlled by the Americans so which is it? is it only the newspapers you don’t agree with that the Americans are running? Jeeeeeeezaauuuus christ! Please breakdown exactly which German media sources are actually German and which are controlled by Americans.

      • kev

        JW, You have just completely wasted about 140 words.

      • Andy

        Re Gemz – For once Wardy you are right.

        On your article seems we have started the 21st Century like we started the 20th Century: with the problem of Germany. Stockbroker friend and I have long felt that the easy solution to the Euro was for Germany to leave, but that sort of negates the whole point of the bloody thing – so the French could get their mitts on German Gold. I reckon that you will probably be proved wrong, but only in part. I think the Franco-German Axis will throw Greece out in a vain effort to save the Euro. It wont work. Then Germany might herself leave.

      • JW

        Perhaps you meant De Telegraaf in Holland, which like The Sun but without the cranial content.

        Ik begrijp het goed dat u spreekt uitstekend Nederlands. U hebt een slechte ervaring gehad met de Telegraaf dat u dit over de jaren hebt gelezen? Of ben ik verkeerd misschien? U kunt Nederlands lesen? Ah! Dan weet ik wat is het probleem hier …

        is this an example of precisely the sort of thing you are accusing me of?

      • Super Sid

        Definitley her. Antagonistic and arrogant, constantly putting GB down and telling everyone how the Germans are so superior, really asks for the grief that comes her way. In fact, she thrives on it.

      • Omkara

        Definately her. Just what is it with the need to reply to almost every thread start up with the constant inane dribble. I wish to god that there was a block button to cease having to scroll through the reams of verbal. Troll stalker or not, I wish they’d both go jump of a cliff.

      • Rosemary Blanketstein

        This woman gemz is still going down mouthing off.
        Can she not take the direct hint that people do not like her
        Fish wife springs to mind that we once met on holiday in Hull east Yorkshire.
        Ill bred ignorance personified.
        Kindly disappear and blog in Germany please.
        and I only logged on while the kettle boils for rupert’s tea.

      • Frau Blanketstein

        I presume that would be coffee for Herr Blanketstein our local Frankfurt banker? The only thing you don’t like about me is that I stand up for what I believe in.

    • Ioannis

      @MAXc… I can assure you that the islands are exactly the same as usual… if anything the prices are better than they have been in years… and of course you would be making a contribution… besides, we love having people come out for the summers… get’s pretty boring on an island over winter! The islands are very different from Athens, or the mainland… we’ve had to make it in spite of Athens’ 2500 years of corruption all this time… and we proudly care for our visitors, regardless of whatever bundle of snakes Athens is juggling.

      • lagerandlime

        Gemz, you don’t need to spreken uitstekend Nederlands to read the Dutch/Belgian press. Most of the west European press is now broadly comprehensible to English speakers with very limited foreign language knowledge, thanks to Google Translate. For instance, I did a six-month Spanish course years ago and can hardly order a beer in it today, but I can read El Pais thanks to the Google wonder tool, filling in the gaps with my own very basic Spanish. Similar for Italian. The German press is likewise ‘open’ now, though you do need a bit of German to navigate those waters. The Scandinavian press ex-Finland can be basically read without any knowledge of Scandinavian languages at all. Even Russian papers are just about comprehensible.

        What I was going to say before being waylaid by this .. oh yes, I don’t know if you have lived in Germany Mr Ward, but talking to Germans you will find that the postwar guilt syndrome so thoroughly and deliberated embedded in the German psyche is still the most powerful determinant of national attitudes. All you have to do is say ‘sechs Millionen’ to bring them into line.
        Germany will never pull the plug on the Euro or the EU, even if it means total Selbstabschaffung under the waves of immigrants that are currently rolling in at a rate of one million a year new permanent residents.

      • Lager and Lime

        which is the point I wanted to make. You can use Google translate – but when it came to really understanding what was said JW asked me to translate it because Google translate came up with nonsense.

        That goes for any language you do not speak. There will be subtleties you really will not get by banging language through a machine. You can either think like the people writing the language – or you can’t. It is as simple as that. When I say “think” – if you don’t dream in that language occasionally, you aren’t there. Okay?

        These fundamental errors is what is leading British minds off-course when it comes to the eurozone.

  4. I still think the Karlsruhe will roll over, the political pressure will overwhelm them, and Merkel et al are not backward in coming forward when it comes to making threats. What this will mean though I have no idea.

    • Morningstar

      The courts and the justice system have been totally corrupted in the UK. I tend to assume that the same powers have been at work in all of the EU states. I hope you are correct about the Karlsruhe, but the politicians are kiniving barstuards and causing pain to the judges who are not complicit can always be arranged by those in power.
      I hope you are correct – but with these people who want power at any price, the size of the envelope or the caliber of the bullet is all that matters to get what they want.
      On that basis, I cannot bring myself to believe it until it happens. Good piece describing how it should be however :)

  5. AJC

    “When the holidays end Latin Europe needs to print trillions, or default and collapse will ensue very rapidly.”

    What would happen if the EU (ECB) started to quench the under-the-counter money printing starting with confiscation of those Greek printing plates?

    After that raid perhaps one on Spain?

    Can the black economy flourish without largish denomination notes?

    Of course there will be a need to be a serious attack on cross-border currency smuggling.

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  7. bill40

    It takes a very brave person to guess what Merkel would do. I have read German papers and French. She is very unreported in the English press for the leader of such a powerful nation. I have wallowed through this blog and wiki and American newspapers to zerohedge and beyond.

    My conclusion? I have no idea at all what this woman believes in, none whatsoever.

  8. Rupert Blanketstein

    ”….But a eurozone with Germany in it cannot, and will not, survive….”

    As a financial specialist this point of view offers many ways to turn a handsome profit.
    My accountants in Dublin are telling me that earnings ranging from 6/1 up to 25/1 are currently available to the man in the street <b. AGAINST these eventualities.

    ”It always takes two to make a market…”

    Have a nice day.

  9. william

    The ‘nuclear option’ is in the hands of the markets,now and forever,not the judges,politicos,central banks,stability funds and so on.There is an outside chance of Hiroshima before 12 September,and IMHO a 50 percent chance from then to the US election.Gold or cash,take your pick,for now,before a possible great equity opportunity.

  10. Germany leaves the Euro and the Project dies. Germany does not want it’s fingerprints all over that scenario under any circumstances. Nope, I reckon Merkel has painted herself in a corner and there’s no turning back, somehow I believe she still thinks she can pull the rabbit out of the hat. Complete disregard for all the rules now means she might do anything and probably will but, leaving the Euro? No, that’s not an option she will take, her hand might be forced though, who knows? One thing’s for sure I think, this has a way to go yet.

    • She won’t get a choice in the end but she’ll do her best to be the last (wo)man standing once the music stops. Fiskalunion won’t get to any stage of implementation because patriotism (in the good and bad sense) wont allow it.

      I’ve got a sneaky suspicion it’ll be the Finns that walk first. Giving Merkel a convenient scapegoat and letting Germany walk away.

    • MaxC (UK)

      @kfc. “rabbit out of a hat.” exactly right. They have been buying time at a terrible cost in the hope, like Mr Micawber, that something will turn up.

  11. Luca

    We always have to smiling if British and other tries to argument with “exit of Germany”. Tell us how leave eurozone would helping all members who depending very much on German innovations and engineering skills for good living things.

    • Jaime in Quebec

      Luca, Germany leaving the Eurozone and leaving the planet are not one and the same thing. German engineering and manufacturing will still be there, as will Japanese, Chinese, and American etc.

    • John Ward

      Luca
      Your English is almost as bad as my German. Leaving the eurozone is not a matter of helping or otherwise for Germany, it is inevitable. Sorry.

  12. zilverreiger

    His name is Gauck, not GLauck
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauck

    • zilverreiger

      oh yes, Merkel is Kohl’s Maedchen , and Kohl was a huge proponent of Europe (ie he’s single handedly responsible of including the broken Greek economy ). However she politically beat Kohl at one point.
      It’s hard to gauge what they are all up to now, much of it depends on what happens in the wider world (like the euro crisis itself was caused by the amrikan britisch wallst/city axis)

      • John Ward

        Zilver
        It’s American British not amrikan britisch. And yes, you may be right, nothing is ever Germany’s fault.

    • John Ward

      zilver
      I spelt it right 11 times, and wrong once. But thanks anyway. Sind Sie Deutsch, vielleicht?

    • mh505

      … And they are called Ossis, not Ostis.

      The Slog way be well informed in general, but his Attention to Detail is lousy

  13. Ioannis

    The key to understanding Merkel’s plans are in the proof of her actions in this crisis from day one… all along the idea was to scapegoat, castigate, disable,, and excise Greece… both placing focus on only one country and expounding the belief that the EU would quickly regain it’s power once free of the “peripherals”… Portugal, etc, etc. well… we see how well that has worked out, and now we have reversals from the newly found “resources”… Merkel & co. will continue to play dominatrix over Greece and others until re-elections… and then change her stance towards Greece (again), and attempt some gobblygook fiscal football and endorse eurobonds or some other piece of crap financial instrument backed by an already secretly tapped out Germany… will it work? are people hypnotized by the MSM and optimism going to buy it? sure… what choice do they have?

  14. John Ward

    Dear Sloggers
    This post is also up at Max Keiser’s site at http://maxkeiser.com/2012/08/11/why-germany-will-leave-eurozone-whether-wants/
    The mental derangement of some of the comments really does have to be read to be believed. Anyone wishing to go there and offer some brutal reality, feel free.
    Flopot in particular seems to think today is MarbleArch 34th of Tomato, Star Date minus 2.3 chainsaws.

  15. Mark B

    Either Germany leaves the Euro or the PIIGS leave the Euro. They simply cannot co-exist. But I guess that those who ignore the lessons from history are doomed to repeat them: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/europe/euro-glossary/1216833.stm

  16. The euro crisis, big and dramatic as it may be, is only a small piece of the bigger puzzle. In the end, this is all about the dying dollar and what will come after it.

    Some of the players in the eurozone drama (especially the central bankers, who tend to take a longer view than politicians) will be acting with that perspective in mind. This makes it a lot more difficult to predict just what will happen next; but for one thing, it makes a breakup of the eurozone, and a German exit in particular, far less likely to happen. There are strong forces who believe (right or wrong) that the euro is the only lifebuoy for Europe to cling to in the utter pandemonium that will ensue when (not if) the dollar goes bust.

    • Ioannis

      Finally… someone looking beyond Euro divisions and mythology to see the bigger game…

    • B

      a very interesting comment. It is one I concur with.

      I wonder how much of this focus on the eurozone problems is the US buying time? They cannot escape it for ever.

      But some good ground that is producing vegetables is still as good a back-up as any drawer of silverware.

  17. JHM

    If only once the sight here would broaden a little and take into account the larger picture!

    The day Germany will leave the €uro will be the first day of the ultimate end of the anglo-american system of control and power. Why? At that exact day Germany will turn to the east, and that turn is the utter nightmare of everyone in Washington, London and Paris. Thus, as Germany is, in the end, despite all what may seem independent and souvereign in her appearance, still not much more but a mere protectorate of the western powers since at least 1918 she will not leave the €uro. If Germany ever does leave she will immediately side with Russia and China against her former western masters, and that *could* leave to war, hot or cold, with the east, and this is what no one in his right mind would like to have to deal with.

    Greece is but a tool, a lever of the financial elite, to keep Germany (and France, too) at bay via their bank’s vulnerability to the mess down there. A dangerous little tool, i might add, as if this helpless instrument of powerplay explodes it could well rip apart the complete farbric of the entire international banking mafia.

    As the greek lever alone did not work the way it was planned Italy and Spain have been brought into the play to strengthen the argument. As everyone can see, it does not work well, either.

    Greece is only interesting in means of geopolitical location and natural ressources – the first for the inevitable greater war in the middle east impelled by the west to finally gain full spectrum dominance over a certain part of the world, known as the Pivot-area and the other for simple energy and financial interests. Why should anyone care for a whining (greek or other) population here or there in such large-scale undertaking?

    The western world is a sinking empire, no doubt about it despite all their Wall Street/City of London trickery and the geopolitically/military might and awe of the United States and the still major influence of Great Britain and her Commonwealth on the world stage. The western powers may be able to go on playing the game for some time with the help of their poodles in London, Paris and Warzaw, their stooges in Athens, Rome and Madrid and their henchmen in Berlin, Bankfurt and Brussels, but eventually they will fade away as did all overstretched rotting empires in history before. The moment a block forms from Tokyo via Beijing, New Dheli and Moscow to Berlin (and maybe even Paris) the anglo-american gameplay is finished for good. The western powers will do whatever is possible to be done to prevent an Eurasian alliance from happening, no matter what cost, as usual. They did it twice the last century, and managed to blame the Germans for everything, as they try to do the same again right now, in a slightly different, more friendly-looking manner. It may not work three times, though, especially when now there are some major other players involved in the grand game formerly not part of the club.

  18. Tassos_GR

    @JHM,
    One should care for a “whining population” because he is a civilized person.Alas, being apparently a German yourself, i understand why you are unable to do so!

    • JHM

      @Tassos,
      As a German one is quite used to every existing kind of recrimination and insult due to one’s nationality. The sins of the forefathers, you know. The British never had that trouble, even today they build monuments to their reckless mass-murderers of the Bomber Command and are proud about it. Nowadays it seems it’s the Greeks to get their share of useless blame, for a while, until the geopolitical camel train changes direction to ruin the next country to the pleasure of the financial “elite”. Nothing to see here, go on and stop whining about!

      • Tassos_GR

        No mention of past sins from me there, but it is indicative of what you feel for yourself. What i was reffering to, is the notion that if you are stupid enough to vote for the wrong crooks to govern you then it’s ok to starve to death. Correct me if i’m wrong but Merkel asked the Greeks for no budget cuts in the military sector.A sector highly covered by German products. That’s hypocritical. By the way it seems that the best of Germans have bought houses in my area and from what they tell me you are perhaps the most misinformed people in Europe in what is really going on. I admire your present achievements, don’t care of your past sins and please consider the fact that your growth is directly hindering ours.True, we don’t belong together in a union,but that’s hardly the people’s fault.It’s that simple.

  19. Geo

    This catch your eye John — op-ed in the Times (NY) by Jon Vinocur on ‘European Pivot by US President’

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/11/opinion/obamas-europe-pivot.html?smid=pl-share

    Sounds like great minds, if they don’t exactly think alike, are at least quite concerned about the same things. Anyway, quite on topic for this intriguing post of yours today.

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  24. Houndstooth

    Here are some random thoughts about Germany – whether they can be linked up into a coherent narrative or into a prediction of the future, I really don’t know, but I think the points, which are largely cautionary ones, nevertheless need to be made.

    Germany won’t leave the euro. “Being part of Europe” is too close to German hearts for a unilateral German exit to be a real possibility. Germany over the next few years could well take the initiative in developing a two-speed Europe, but that’s another argument altogether.

    Merkel is unlikely to do anything radical. Whatever else she may be, she is a cautious pragmatist, adept at getting what she wants by slow and careful preparation. Sudden radical policy moves are not her thing, and in any case would probably not be supported by her party colleagues.

    The position of Wolfgang Schäuble is not as secure as it seems. He and Merkel have disagreed strongly on many occasions in the past, and if Merkel were to feel that she would be better served by someone else as Finance Minister, she would have no hesitation in removing Schäuble from office. The notion of a Merkel- Schäuble axis almost certainly overstates the reality.

    The German Constitutional Court is guided more than anything else by patriotism. If it can be persuaded that rocking the boat would be unpatriotic, then the Court will refrain from rocking the boat – its instinct is to preserve the status quo whenever possible, and when it does move, it moves cautiously and gradually.

    Germany, whose economy is export-driven, is at the very beginning of a recession caused by economic slowdown in its main export markets. This recession could deepen and last for a year or two at least. We should remember that despite its undeniable strengths, the German economy can fall into a mess, as it did towards the end of the 1990s (when Germany was widely thought to be the “sick man of Europe”).

    Rising unemployment may put all kinds of strain on the relationship between the German leadership and the German electorate, and on the relationship between German employers and German labour, and the need to cope with the consequences of recession could mean that the leadership becomes far more concerned with domestic affairs and a lot less concerned with pan-European ones.

  25. Moonkin

    “If a referendum was called tomorrow, the Germans would vote overwhelmingly for more Europe ”

    No, they won’t, it would be a disaster for the europhiles. Because of that, there won’t be a referendum anytime soon. Your 3 german sources are also wrong. The Bundesverfassungsgericht is a papertiger, they will not stop a decision made bei a two-thirds majority of the Bundestag. Germany will never be the first to leave, they fired the first shots in 1914 and 1939, they won’t be the first to shoot the europroject.

  26. Dust Bowl Daze

    People who think any country is leaving the Eurozone are so adorable. Governments have all kinds of tricks and games they can play to get what they want. You talk about the New World Order, this is it. The Eurozone with the Euro, ASEAN with a gold backed yuan (watch for it), the collapse of the Yen, the upcoming North American currency that will emerge after an unexpected dollar collapse. The Eurozone will remain, WITH Germany WITH Greece WITH Italy WITH Spain, even if every last one of us has to be fed into that furnace. Time, time, time. Look what’s become of me.

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  28. I love this idea that Germans are in love with the Euro Project and will do anything to keep it together. Germans in their 20′s and 30′s don’t feel guilty about the past – why should they? And, most Germans if given the option, would happily go back to the DM and put their faith and destiny in their own hands rather than trust to lunatics in Brussels. Germany should pull out as it would be best for all.

  29. Mac the engineer

    Angela herself, ………………….. “never mind which direction we’re headed, I want to be at the wheel”.
    As a professional communicator using the English language I hope you you meant to write:
    Angela herself, ……………………….“never mind which direction we’re heading, I want to be at the wheel”.

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  38. John Ward

    BT
    Are you OK at the moment? Of late I’ve been unsure. Type ‘Greek default’ into the search engine here and you’ll be reading the content for a week, mate.

  39. BT: are they not pretty much the same thing? What was borrowed is not repaid.

  40. Woodgnome

    No. Forgiveness writes the debt off completely. Default merely defers it until the creditors judge the debtor has his house sufficiently in order to resume paying.

    And that’s why the creditors will only contemplate default, not forgiveness; with the former, they might stand a chance of further usury later. Important, as they won’t find as many willing suckers to mire in fresh debt until memories start to fade in a generation or so – but the money must keep rolling in. Those G650s don’t fuel themselves, you know!

  41. Chris Loughrey

    @wood: thanks for the explanation. Default is thrown around a lot but i’ve never heard anyone in the MSM explain it in detail. It sounds crap.

  42. Ioannis

    “Imagine if JW’s idea of forgiveness is followed and all of Greece’s debts are written off and the creditors take huge losses. How will creditors feel when Greece comes into the money big-time in the coming few years? Pretty sick and cheated I’d say…”

    1. I can live with that.
    2. Now, everyone can get that regular Greek guy on the street feeling… sick and cheated…

  43. Ioannis

    BT… why must you make everything antagonistic?… I was not “firing shots” at anyone… actually I was agreeing with your statement… just adding my own emphasis… as far as my govt. getting us into this mess… so what? it’s the same everywhere else… everybody’s government is sinking everyone into more debt… relax a little.

  44. Bemused

    Perhaps creditors being more prudent about who they lend to is the true lesson to be learned.

  45. Ioannis

    BT, BT, BT… soooo disappointing… typing something in bold letters doesn’t make it true… don’t care how it came across (that’s your projection)… don’t need your sympathy… don’t care about creditors losses (actually want the whole system to explode they way it should have instead of being propped up by middle class and poor people’s taxes through out the EU)… aaaaaaaaand never ignored my govts. role in anything (more of your fantasy’s)… I considered what I wrote very carefully… it is just that you are offended by it… not my problem. Your problem… harden up a little… it was actually a joke to begin with, then you got all sensitive on me.

  46. Ioannis

    @Bemused… you would think some people would think of that but far too often the role of the lender in these schemes is buried and forgotten the same way politicians are never held accountable for their deeds… business and govt. rule, so people don’t even expect responsibility or accountability from those institutions anymore.

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