WAR CRIMES: Milosevic intimate about to become Serbian Prime Minister

Ivica Dacic

Is the Hague’s War Crimes Court anything more than an irrelevant hypocrisy?

The news that Ivica Dacic (a former close colleague of Slobodan Milosevic) is almost certainly going to be the next Serbian Prime Minister should give everyone connected to the real world where morality counts pause for thought. Dacic has promised that his party won’t return to the nationalist (aka genocidal) policies of his former boss ‘Slobo’, but the newly elected President Nikolic recently denied (to a German newspaper) that genocide was undertaken in Srebrenica, Bosnia and Herzegovina, where Bosnian Serb forces and irregular units from Serbia slaughtered more than 8,000 people in 1995. As well, he said that Vukovar in Croatia, where Serb forces killed around 4,000 people in 1991, was a “Serb town”. This does not smack of a man chastened by Milosevic’s appearance in the Hague Court (he died of a heart attack there before the judgement could be finalised) and Dacic himself was the wartime spokesman for Slobodan Milosevic: he earned the nickname “Little Sloba” for his admiration of Milosevic who, let’s not beat about the bush here, approved the mass murder of folks he didn’t like from a different culture.

What the UN, the US and the EU need to recognise, however, is the itchy scab of Truth: many Serbians refuse to see the late leader as anything other than a hero.

Whatever people have or haven’t done, it is important to nail the hypocrisy of human rights, war crimes and other assorted Courts that exist to make us feel holy about what the West does. This element of Ivica Dacic’s rise to power is brought into focus by the avowed intent of the PM-elect to go full speed ahead towards joing the EU. The need for speed is, presumably, that Serbia needs to get on the gravy train before it crashes, but that’s not the point. There are in fact two points. First, many think Dacic is just saying this to award himself an aura of respectability. And the more important second point is that those very people who hounded Slobodan Milosevic to a largely unmourned death in 2006 are the same folks welcoming Dacic with open arms into the ‘European democratic mainstream’, a three-word phrase that is surely whatever an oxymoron becomes after moving on from two to three nonsenses in a row.

During a recent visit to Croatia, American Assistant Secretary of State Philip Gordon told the media:

“We want to see Serbia as part of Europe, as we want to see the entire region as part of Europe. It’s not matter of being acceptable to the US or not. The US considers it important to see a stable democratic process in the choice of leadership.”

In short, “Look kid, sod history – we’re talkin’ geopolitics here. Get real”. Well, Mr Gordon needs to get ethically real: the bloke was Slobo’s spin doctor during five years of rampant genocide. The equivalent would’ve been the BundesRepublik electing Albert Speer Chancellor after his release from Spandau.

The geopolitics are, of course, real enough. Nikolic served as a Nationalist Party Deputy PM alongside the socialist Dacic in the Serbian Coalition before being elected President in May. His first foreign trip as president was to Moscow, where Nikolić told Russian homoerotic hardman Vladimir Putin that Serbia is on a “long and uncertain” path to joining the European Union. Dacic in turn has allegedly told associates privately that the Kremlin pressured him to form a coalition government with the nationalist party.

A great deal of the cultural powder-keg in this region revolves around the Orthodox Church and Islamic cultures. Russia has always been the defender of Christians in the region….and both it and Serbia see Turkey’s Erdogan as a pernicious influence in the mix.

So what it comes down to once again is the blind eye and the deaf ears: let’s forget you used to be Slobo’s Alistair Campbell, and let’s pretend you aren’t still Milosevic admirers and Kosovo grabbers in private. This is about locking Vlad the Vote Impaler out.

I think War Crimes Courts are rarely anything more than show trials, and Human Rights Courts are based on the fallacy that any human being has any ‘rights': what happens on a daily basis in this world proves beyond any reasonable doubt that every member of our species must, in the end, look after him or herself. The Hague Court and the ECHR boff on a lot about democratic liberty, while heading up the most illiberal, controlling and anti-democratic wannabe Superstate since Hitler’s Germany.

But even beyond that philosophico-ethical consideration, such Courts of ‘Law’ are to say the least of it choosy about who they’ll put on trial. Cliché or not, there is a compelling body of evidence to suggest that the human rights of Iraqi POWs were abused by both the American and British governments, that both allies invaded Saddam Hussein’s Iraq with no legal or UN pretext for so doing, and that British Prime Minister Tony Blair condoned the illegal murder of thousands of civilians, having lied to the Mother of Parliaments about the ‘justification’ of so doing.

Where does it end, this prosecution of all acts deeemed moral and unethical by the winners?

Friend of David Cameron Recep Erdogan could be hauled up to answer charges about Kurd killings and media/opponent imprisonment without trial. Further friend of David Cameron Rupert Murdoch should stand trial at the ECHR for brazenly abusing the privacy rights of thousands of UK citizens. Union friends of Jack Dromey and Harriet Harman could answer charges of election manipulation in the promotion of Ed Miliband to the Labour leadership. Gordon Brown committed a clear offence under corporate accountancy reporting rules by quietly moving the PFI disaster off balance-sheet. Friend of Tony Blair Silvio Berlusconi lied to Brussels, rigged elections, bribed judges and had sex with minors.

Most of us accept that, sad as it might be, none of these people is going to wind up in any Court of law on charges of a custodial nature. That’s an issue of equality before the Law about which The Slog has posted ad nauseam to an apathetic body public. The ‘crimes against humanity’ Courts are a different matter entirely. By their very existence, these institutions wish us to believe that there is indeed a higher moral law, and it must be respected. I like the idea, but the fact is that it is abused wherever it surfaces. And worst of all, it has no real effect: Ivica Dacic will come to power in Serbia, and must be appeased or courted – depending on your viewpoint.

I don’t think there is a higher law, because I don’t believe that one obscure species on one speck of dust in an infinite Universe could ever possibly deserve it. If that species both created and stuck to such a secular law, then I would applaud it. But as we never do, I don’t see the point of engaging further with hoity-toity ‘Crime’ institutions. Like Slobo, I refuse to accept their validity.

 

 

29 thoughts on “WAR CRIMES: Milosevic intimate about to become Serbian Prime Minister

  1. Where I live, I have had the opportunity to get to know quite a few Serbians. They’re attitude about their past concerns me a lot. Even now, they are protesting , even shooting at the peace keeping forces still in place between them and the Croats for example… they do not recognize any borders or other peoples in the area as being legitimate and have told me straight to my face that Milosovic was a “great” man… who just did not have time to finish because of foreign intervention. Seriously chilling… I think that given the chance the whole culture would slip back into a program of ethnic cleansing within days. They are nice enough to us Greeks, even calling us brothers (because they are orthodox) but every time they start talking about cleansing their land from the Muslim hordes, and making Serbia “white” again… it send shivers up my spine. They are completely immersed in the fantasy that they did nothing wrong and would do it again, quickly. My favorite is when they tell you there was never any genocide, and then immediately follow that by saying Slobo should have finished “the job”… that kind of murderous hypocrisy, and denial is verrrrrrry scary.

    • I remember, years ago, table sharing with a German couple on a Greek Ferry. The conversation was not extensive but polite. Suddenly she said to me ‘tell me why was Mrs Thatcher so opposed to German unification’ ? Could have told her quite easily (and Lady Thatcher was dead right), however I waffled that the world was rather different viewed from London etc. But she warmed to her theme: ‘it’s not as though we are all going to become raving Nazis again’, and ‘of course Hitler was elected’ which I knew. And then, as if on que, they turned to eachother and said ‘but of course our families didn’t vote for him’. No indeed.

      • The psychological aspect… of peoples trying to distance themselves from bad behavior they keep repeating… is so fabulously strewn with denials and justifications, without remorse or apology … fascinates me.

      • Hang on Ioannis , i could swear this behavior you are talking about reminds me of an other nation too , hmmmmmm …

      • @Yana… something from an article you might find interesting.

        “Of 13 million Fragebogen (registrants) who were part of the Nazi regime… only 3, 445,100 were charged… of those charged , 2, 480,700 are granted blanket amnesty without even a trial… of the 964,400 persons whose war crimes were still deemed bad enough to face punitive action…. 569,600 were fined (slate wiped clean with cash)… another 124,400 suffered the indignity of work restrictions… 23,100 politicians lost eligibility to keep their public office (for being Nazi’s)… 25,900 had property acquired by theft from Jews confiscated… 30.500 got community service… 9,600 sent to labor camps… that left 90,000 of the worst convicted Nazi war criminals meant to go to jail for up to 10 years… only 300 served more than 2 years in jail for more than 2 years (from figured compiled in 1949, after sentencing in late 1947)… So out of 13 million men deemed complicit in the organized genocide of around 6 million people… we have 11 death sentences, and 300 men do more than a couple of years in prison… and when the West Germans took over responsibility for war crimes prosecutions, it got much worse… Almost every Nazi convicted of the greatest crime in history simply melted back into German society. They walked out of the prisons as if they were convicted of parking tickets… society welcomed them with open arms… so arrogant, so certain there would be no consequences… they were right.”

  2. Let’s not exclude various Chinese leaders from the dock besides Mr Blair, oh and poor Robert Mugabe would want his place in history but connat be seen to stand next to that piece of dirt that runs north sudan…..
    The list goes on.
    Why do we pretend?
    Why do most of the BBC news watchers, the east enders watchers, the strictly watchers, why do they all believe the UN is fair, good and right on all occasions?
    I fcuking give up. Hypocrisy rules OK!
    Sole ambition now is to live out my pointless existence as peacefully as possible -but keep my swords sharp and my arm strong in case others object.

  3. “Like Slobo I refuse to accept their validity”.

    Is that the way US Attorney General Eric Holder feels about the US courts? It would explain why he isn’t prosecuting the banksters and the “captured regulators”.

    I disagree that international courts are about a higher morality; every tin pot dictator and democratically elected politician alike needs to have someone looking over their shoulder. Its not just about the western concept of justice. Oppressed people need to know that sooner or later the guilty will get theirs. A form of justice will either be provided by the state/multilateral institutions, or wronged people will take their own revenge.

    If the ICC isn’t the answer to the Milosevic question, whats yours?

    • The whole concept of ‘International Law’ is cobblers. The only thing that can control any ‘tin pot dictator’ is the fear that he will be overthrown. Look at Syria. If you were Assad what would you do ? He must know the game is up, but where can he go ? Just to Iran, and who wants to go there ! In effect he has nothing to lose. He may as well stand and fight and take his chance. But how many Syrians will end up dead as a result who would still live if he could be persuaded to leave and go into comfortable exile somewhere.

      War Crimes Trials are usually just ‘victors justice’, Nuremberg being a prime example, created as it was out of non-existent ‘law’. Take the case of King Charles I. It shows how far things have drifted when a supposed champion of Human Rights Law writes a book extolling that silly ‘trial’. One wondered if he even understood the Law. As the King said a Sovereign and a subject are two different things.

      As to ‘Human Rights’ well the ECHR has proved to be a silly farce inventing ‘Law’ as they go along. Deporting foreign terror suspects is one area; votes for prisoners is another; and meddling with Life sentences yet another. Personally I would leave the ECHR because it is becoming a distortion and a farce of what it was originally intended to be.

  4. Well they killed a lot of Muslims. I guess they don’t like Muslims. Guess what, a lot of people don’t like Muslims. If the cops, MI5 and MI6 had not been on the ball, Muslims would have killed several thousand Brits over the last 10 years. Some say that these murderous Muslims are “extremists” – except that polls consistently suggest that 25% of Muslims support their actions, which means in turn they can’t be “extreme”.

    Now I could be wrong, but the current trend towards more of this so called “extremism” with matching militancy from anti-Muslim groups like the EDL could very likely lead us to a “Northern Ireland” situation but on a larger scale. Words like “massacre” will then be commonplace.

    I draw no moral conclusions from this possibility, only that we don’t appear to have learned any lessons from Srebrenica, and probably we learned the wrong lessons from Auschwitz. Different cultures inspired by thinking which is highly polarised struggle to get along. Islam and Libertarianism don’t mix – it is better to separate these cultures behind national borders and patrol those borders with soldiers. Melting pots tend to get rather hot.

    • Having testified in several war crime trials relating to the Bosnian conflict, the Serbs also killed a lot of Croats. They also killed a lot of Serbs who fought with the Bosnian government forces.

      All three sides (Bosniak, Bosnian Serb & Bosnian Croat Forces) committed atrocities in Bosnia. The Serbs though were by far and away the biggest committers of atrocities with the Bosnian Croats a very distant second and the Bosniaks way way back in third.

      Incidentally, Bosniak, Bosnian Croat and Bosnian Serb Forces doesn’t mean that that’s what they all were.

      There were three ‘militias’ –

      The Armija Bosna i Hercogovina ( ABiH) Army of The Republic of Bosnia & Hezegovinia). The legitimate Army of Bosnia, comprised in the main of Bosnian muslims but also containing Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs who believed that Bosnia should be a free country. Towards the end of the war also had about 1,000 middle eastern/North African Jihadis.

      The HVO (Hrvatsko Vijece Obrane – Croatian Defence Council) Mainly Bosnian-Croat but also containing a fair few Bosnian Muslims, Bosnian Serbs, regular troops from Croatia-proper on rotation and also fringe groups such as the neo-nazi HOS and small mercenary units from scandinavia, Germany, USA and UK. Nominal allies of the Armija at the outset but quickly dominated politicall by neo-nazi political extremists who wished to partition the Bosnian-Croat area and join it to Croatia proper.

      The VRS (Vojska Republike Srpske – Bosnian Serb Army) Mainly Bosnian Serb, but also contained Krajina Serbs from Croatia, mercenary units from Greece, Russia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Romania and other eastern orthodox countries. Also had regular troops from the Serbian Army attached on rotation. Also had an ‘understanding’ with breakaway muslims in the North West of Bosnia in the Bihac region (which was run by muslim organised crime gangs).

      To be brutally frank it was a total shambles and degenerated to the state it did because Europe couldn’t get it’s act together and show any leadership whatsoever. It wasn’t until Bill Clinton finally lost patience that it was finally brought to a halt.

      The country is still deeply divided – more divided than it was before the war and although the Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Muslims are allied again as the Federation, that is basically only because Croatia proper has been threatened/bribed with EU membership to apply pressure behind the scenes to the Bosnian Croats.

      • Those MI5,MI6 also turn a blind eye to kombat18 & other far right groups,some have infiltrated many high positions of life all over Europe including Britain & that is why he will be welcomed back into their fold with open arms & smiles

      • Seems like you are out on your own with that one JW. You and the remaining 200,000 remaining readers of the Guardian. Once a leftie, always a leftie. Tell me JW, when the English civil war started, how many soldiers were on each side?

  5. “every member of our species must, in the end, look after him or herself”
    Quite so – who are these prats who say we shouldn’t each have our own gun?

  6. Indeed you are correct John, and so is Andy above, the activities of the International Court of Justice and ‘International Law’ are simply for propaganda as well as partly justification and partly a tool for the movement toward one world government which is enthusiastically supported by most of the Western powers. China and Russia go along with it at the moment because it suits their purpose and strengthens their hand in the global political game. Once it becomes inconvenient or a threat to them they will pull the plug on the idea.

  7. You are absolutely right. The West has consistently, since the fall of Milosevic, tried to put the past behind and blame it all on the “Milosevic regime”, ignoring the fact that the Milosevic regime was after all elected. They supported Kostunica and then Tadic simply because they were not Nikolic or Dacic. Now we get Nikolic as President and Dacic as Prime Minister: the Milosevic regime returned.

  8. There are those who still think Milosevic’s refusal to let CIA run heroin pass through Serbia was his undoing. After that, all bets were off and the senseless killing began in earnest!

  9. Some questions are very big.
    To control regional groups, tribes, whole nations who end up -for whatever reason- ethnic cleansers, fascists and the like, you have to give the power to some external authority to intercede. Whether that be the UN, the biggest neighbouring honest-broker, or the local bully, someone, somewhere has to decide the rules of the game, and also determine the concept of right and wrong.
    Now, and as always, that power resides with the merchant traders (banks and big-biz) and their allies and puppies in government.
    And who trusts them

    The money is talking in the Balkans, just like it does in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Mexico.

    and once you deal with that issue, you have to look at religion. A much bigger problem that we have had 10,000 years to get a grip on, and haven’t made any progress at all.

    We are heading into the new dark ages. We had one chance to hit the bullseye of liberty and justice for all, and we let the greedy and selfish run off with the prize for themselves. (some are more equal than others)

    Isn’t it bizarre that most folks don’t realise how interesting are the times we live in, and how big the battle is.

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  11. It irritates me slightly that GCE History demanded Drake´s whereabouts when the Spanish Armada set sail and ignored much that is important.

    Thank you to all for your inputs

  12. During the break-up of Yugoslavia, no-one, but no-one, emerged as a shining example of moral rectitude. Milosevic was a nasty piece of work to be sure, but so was the Croat leader Franjo Tudjman (a Fascist who was in some ways even creepier than Slobo ) and the Bosniak leaders were by no means blameless.

    The most frightening thing about the bloody collapse of Yugoslavia, to me, anyway, was the amazing suddenness with which ethnically mixed village people – members of communities that had lived peaceably together for many decades – began to spontaneously burn each other’s homes and slaughter each other, often without any reference at all to what their “political leaders” were saying. Some of the worst atrocities were committed not by Milosevic, and not by Tudjman, but by anonymous village people who were never found out and never arrested.

    The International Court of Justice is a victor’s court, whose verdicts, handed down by hugely paid judges, are entirely predictable. Justice has little to do with it – we know the outcome of the trials from the start. One is reminded of the fate of the barbarian leaders who used to be paraded in chains through the streets of Rome by triumphant military dictators. Interestingly, for this very reason Churchill was never a great fan of the Nuremberg Trials – “take the buggers behind the bike sheds and shoot ‘em” seems to have been his suggested method (and an entirely sensible one) of dealing with the Nazi leaders.

    Speaking of the Nazis, many thousands of them, war criminals included, were very soon set free and put back to work by the Allies. In Austria, 90 percent of Nazi party members were given an amnesty in 1948; surviving Jews whose property had been confiscated by the Gestapo were strongly advised by the Austrian government not to seek restitution, while the Americans and the British, those blameless champions of morality, looked on in approval.

    What do we learn from all this? Once it gets into the political sphere, “morality” becomes a very slippery beast indeed. And if you’re a war criminal who has never been in the spotlight, you can get away with murder. Literally.

    • “Of 13 million Fragebogen (registrants) who were part of the Nazi regime… only 3, 445,100 were charged… of those charged , 2, 480,700 are granted blanket amnesty without even a trial… of the 964,400 persons whose war crimes were still deemed bad enough to face punitive action…. 569,600 were fined (slate wiped clean with cash)… another 124,400 suffered the indignity of work restrictions… 23,100 politicians lost eligibility to keep their public office (for being Nazi’s)… 25,900 had property acquired by theft from Jews confiscated… 30.500 got community service… 9,600 sent to labor camps… that left 90,000 of the worst convicted Nazi war criminals meant to go to jail for up to 10 years… only 300 served more than 2 years in jail for more than 2 years (from figured compiled in 1949, after sentencing in late 1947)… So out of 13 million men deemed complicit in the organized genocide of around 6 million people… we have 11 death sentences, and 300 men do more than a couple of years in prison… and when the West Germans took over responsibility for war crimes prosecutions, it got much worse… Almost every Nazi convicted of the greatest crime in history simply melted back into German society. They walked out of the prisons as if they were convicted of parking tickets… society welcomed them with open arms… so arrogant, so certain there would be no consequences… they were right.”

      • There were more than a mere 10 Death Sentences. The British alone at Hameln Jail hanged 200 Nazi War criminals, including guards from Belsen. That aside the Allies treated the Germans with remarkable magnanimity, all things considered.

  13. ‘I don’t believe that one obscure species on one speck of dust in an infinite Universe could ever possibly deserve it’ This brief sentence from yourself, J Ward — Has been my abiding philosophy for most of my life! Before this enlightenment was alcoholism & depression (not necessarily in that order) — And such awareness doesn’t really deal with the depression (the alcoholism was easy) If you truly believe we (as a species) are a mere incident in time & space — How can you get so excited about the paltry squabbles & finances of fellow apparitions!

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