SENSATION AS TOP GREEK LAWYERS’ BODY ACCUSES ELSTAT OF CRIMINAL DECEPTION
ELSTAT ALREADY FOUND GUILTY OF MISLEADING BRUSSELS OVER GREEK DEBT
Special Porta-Porta account released exclusively to The Slog
Very little surprises me about the eurozone any more, but this latest development out of Athens beats anything yet seen: the Athens Bar Association (DSA) has just released a memorandum declaring the recent Greek general election void because of an out-of-date census having been used…and hints darkly at the ulterior motives of Elstat, the national statistical organisation originally found to have been complicit in the plot to disguise Greece’s true fiscal position in its reports to the European Commission in 2008.
In a nutshell, the 2011 census was not used last week: the June 17th election seats-per-constituency allocation was based on the 2001 census…now over a decade out of date.
The DSA release follows:
IOANNIS ADAMOPOULOS, President of the Athens Bar Association (DSA).
EXTREMELY SERIOUS CONTITUTIONAL FAILURE
‘The number of parliament members for every constituency being defined by presidential decree based on the legal population of the constituency that results according to the latest census, the results of the latest census are considered published based on the data gathered by the relevant services, one year after the date the census actually took place”.
In this case, the last census was completed by the National Committee of Statistics (ELSTAT) on 24th May 2011 – a date which is official, and confirmed beyond any doubt by a press release from ELSTAT.
Therefore, as a year has already passed since the last day of the completion of the above mentioned census, the number of parliamentary seats in every constituency should be defined based on the legal population of these constituencies, as derived, according to this census.’
In fact, the 2001 census data was used.
The release continues:
‘An extremely serious constitutional failure has occurred, as we estimate that substantial changes have occurred in the population distribution in every constituency in comparison with the previous census of 2001.
It’s high time Cameron was also declared Null & Void…
Yeah, lets ignore Labours 13 years of incompetence and screwing up the economy and blame Cameron for it all
It’s not always about politics http://www.angrygreekgirl.com/taxonomy/term/159
It’s pretty meaningless really. There won’t be a recalculation of the seats and there won’t be a new election. The Greek people do not have the stomach for any more politicing – they just want a government – any government, and the continuance of the bail-out funds.
“An electoral representative for the leading New Democracy party was handed a three-year jail sentence on Friday, after being found guilty of tampering with the ballot box during general elections last Sunday.”…
No one here would be surprised…
Maybe it’s time we thought that they all deserve each other. I note that the Military are still being paid. Wonder where that money is coming from?
Best guess anyone?
Perhaps they are part of the European Defence Force and get their pay from Brussels along with their orders.
@Robert: May well be so.
When Brussels order shoot will they fire on their own countrymen?If they do they spend a lifetime looking under their cars possibly.
Explosive! If ELSTAT are involved in serial corruption, who’s pulling their strings? Greek powerful elites? a foreign government? Or are there people within ELSTAT with their own agendas? Time for another election methinks…they haven’t had one for at least 5 days!
Who knows? Remember the martian landing failure years ago? The failure was blamed publicly on one major firm neglecting to change Imperial units to metric in the calculations. Now that story was VERY hard to believe, for me at least, although in my professional life I have seen colossal oversights by seemingly highly-trained people of great repute. Staggering, actually. 2011 switched to 2001? Maybe a local epidemic of dyslexia? And perhaps a fair proportion of bankers are cross-eyed twits? Who’d have thought it?
I doubt John would take that too seriously in particular, but his theme seems to be “don’t let anything surprise you these days.”
There is a general tendency afoot to look for conspiracy and crime everywhere while neglecting the more ubiquitous and urgent forces of entropy and incompetence.
Geo
Fair comment
@Geo: I wasn’t looking for a conspiracy theory…if you read JW’s final paragraph, it points strongly to serial corruption, not serial incompetence.
If there are any upstanding police over there, they need to investigate.
Powerful elites…Greek and Foreign.
I too found it spooky the quickness of the results for the “ministry”
It’s all noise now. Seems the big reset is now upon us. Its like quicksand: every move that they make only makes it worse and more inevitable. If there is a bright spot it’s that it’s always fun to watch these political and financial terrorists make every desperate move they can to attempt to survive. And then fail every time.
I think we can all sense that it is here. Not soon, but now.
Something better may be along afterwards.
Nothing surprises me any more. The sprouts obviously don’t have any laws to ensure a decent and timely burial for a long dead corpse.
the lengths that THEY will go to….
Meanwhile, the €uro is looking perky on this news… big green candle right now :-)
Greek election 2.1
From the BBC;
“The head of the Syrian Olympic Committee, General Mowaffak Joumaa, has been refused a visa to travel to London for the Games, the BBC has learned.”
Is that sporting of them!
If the Greek Bar Association has the evidence it clearly claims, shall we expect people in ELSTAT to be arrested by the police and quickly charged with whatever crimes are appropraite? And a new election called or at least the results recalculated using the 2011 census data, if that’s possible?
Er, probably not ;-)
I think you’re right. It’ll be interesting to see if this story grows legs ;-)
@ΒΤ: it would surprise me if i see legs growing :-)
For legs to grow, there have to be official objections files by MPs – even by one MP. Nothing so far – the issue has been silenced by all parties. Nobody wants another election in a month, no party wants the results changed – all in all, nobody wants the hot potato!
@Nick: I’m sure you are right, hence my rhetorical question. I wonder if the elites have any understanding of how such wrongdoings damage Greek democracy?
@BT: having met a few of our MPs and party high ranks, i sensed that most of them do understand. There’s always some stupid and myopic guys in their ranks, but most of them are aware of the consequences. What i see in their eyes and their body language is that greed, ambition and selfishness prevails.
:-(
Do they have such a thing as a supreme court? Maybe a constitutional court? You’d have thought they would ahve jumped on this by now or someone could cunningly work out how many seats the New Democracy would not have now……
Ironic that a battle to hear the people is being fought in Egypt too. The cradle of democracy and the cradle of civilisation.
VORII
I’m told that nobody wants another election. I’m specifically told that Alexis Tsipras was quite relieved not to win.
But none of this changes the facts:it’s either a conspiracy or a farce, and possibly both.
“Alexis Tsipras was quite relieved not to win.” Allow my to add my humble confirmation to that one.
“either a conspiracy or a farc” Greek public and political sector is both corrupted (conspiracy) and incompetent (farce). So again you are spot on.
JW – did I read that right?
The lawyers are saying that ELSTAT OVER- , yes, OVERstated the 2009 deficit at 15.4% of GDP?. And there was I thinking that ELSTAT had UNDERstated the gap between incomings and outgoings.
Is this like Healey being misled by his own Treasury about the likely 1976 PSBR? Are the Greek lawyers really saying the deficit was SMALLER than ultimately portrayed?
Former members of ELSTAT board, have publicly accused ELSTAT that, in November 2010, presented a deficit of 15.4, while the true number was around 12%. Accusations claim that:
a) the Prime Minister (Papandreou) and Finance Minister (Papakonstantinou) where both aware and agreed to that.
b) Strong pressure for raising the deficit was applied by EUROSTAT (Brussels).
Try to draw some conclusions….:-)
Here’s a relative article about the deficit cooking, in English (in Greek there are tons of links i could provide):
http://hellasfrappe.blogspot.gr/2012/06/time-for-justice-has-arrived-papandreou.html
It would be wishful thinking to believe that this will make a difference to the
dream of the United States Of Europe, but it won’t, unfortunately.
Come on John, own up, that’s Coco’s scoop surely!
Why would the Athens Bar Association slip summat like that to an old bugger like you? Much more likely Coco found it in the gutter and came in rushing to bring it to you with her tail wagging like a happy windmill.
Talking of which: we want a photo of Coco, and other alert creatures, on the blog, or German austerity will be applied to your household.
http://www.leap2020.eu/English_r25.html
theseguys always have an interesting take on things EU and an excellent predictive track record. Sloggers wont like their conclusions but should be aware of them.
The only thing they don’t predict is WWIII…
BT, they don’t have to…WW3 already predicted by Nostradamus :-)
“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
― Albert Einstein
@oldasiahand: Just checked out these 1984 stylee luvvies in Euroland / “Eastasia” – a LEAP of faith they make, methinks …
Rome summit over! Dynamic Eh? Don’t you just wish you were a mover and a shaker?
it wont make a scrap of difference. dont kid yourself that we live in a democracy. none of us do.
Cap’n, totally agree. I heard an recent interview with an American comedian/social commentator, Marc Maron, he said: “democracy as it’s practiced now is just a front for money laundering.” True dat!
Tomorrow’s FT headline.’Eurozone borrowing crisis solved by statistical revisions by leading Syrian analyst.Greek deficit an historical myth.Spanish bank shares surge as 1 million empty properties found to be undervalued.Offshore gas finds in Sardinia cause a rebound in Italian banks.Paris rises as the outflows from BNP SouthKen swamp French institutions.Share prices in German exporters explode on hopes of buoyant EZ orders.FTSE leap credited to dynamic leadership from rejuvenated coalition government,on triumphant return of Deputy from Brazil.
Naples, when the Mezzogiorno always voted CD.
They would go round and ask
” What size shoes do you wear?”
“44.”
“Here’s the left shoe. You’ll get the right one after the election.”
“How did they know who I voted for?” I asked.
How could I be so naif, the smile said.
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European countries banking exposure to foreign banks.
http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/11/04/EZ_BNKMP0411_SB.html
Here’s another interesting graphic.
http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/11/07/EZ_STRSTST0711_VF.html
RBS are screwed, then.
Matt
As I’ve been saying for nearly a year.
Yup, you have too. Fair dos.
@Matt: According to the other chart linked to from that one: http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/11/06/EZ_BNKEXP0611_SB.html – the UK bank exposure to Greece is a mere $1 billion (the first chart shows total exposure for: public sector, bank & non-bank private).
Very useful links indeed. Thanks.
RBS screwed.
France is f***ed upside down and sideways.
Here we go!
‘Syria Shoots Down NATO-Member Turkey’s Military F-4 Jet ‘
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/syria-shoots-down-nato-member-turkeys-military-f-4-jet
Initial reports (unconfirmed):
RF4E Phantom (electronic spying). Flying 8miles inside Syrian airspace.
Shot down by Syrian AD not confirmed. Could be accident.
Black swan?
Don;t think so, does not look like a random incident.
Turks intended to check how alert is Syrian A.D.
Syria (Russia) sent a message to NATO: if you think of imposing a no-fly zone to Syria, it will not be a playground, like Libya or Iraq.
Interesting! Thanks. (c:
In all fairness – if a no fly zone was required in Syria. It would not be done using F4′s ! You can be absolutely certain that Cruise would be taking out the defence infrastructure and F22′s would be having a good look in as a preliminary to set up any such zone. Drones are politically expedient also as they do not have an actual (home) body count to concern western conciences. Once the Tomcats get airborn (still pretty much invincible) there is no way a country like Syria is going to put its airforce (or more correctly – its pilots) in the sky (for long).
War is a new game – where political fallout is only going to be really likely ‘if you lose’. Now it will be down to the ability to take out a carrier or two. Should a country like Syria achieve this – the ‘Hand of God’ would put them back in the pre-stone age ! I cannot see either Russia or China becoming THAT involved in support of Assad.
It would take quite a bit to convince me (now) that the real issues behind ‘Gulf War 1, 2 & Afghanistan’ were more about a desire (or need) to test out new weapons, techniquesand tactics. To hone them against serious but not major threats. (Hence the suggestion over Kuwait invasion – that it was suggested by Saddam that he believed that he had US unofficial sanction to go ahead.) Conspiracy ? Maybe ! But through hindsight and analysis……..things appear to make a bit of a story. I am not saying everything is a ‘CIA plot’ or anything, just that the chances were taken as they presented themselves…………GW 1 ‘could’ have been finished off 1st time around…..and AQ were not even a twinkle back then !
DEBKA reports that Syria air defenses down Turkish military plane over Latakia
http://www.debka.com/article/22109/Syria-air-defenses-down-Turkish-military-plane-over-Latakia
Haberturk reports that an Turkish NSC just had an urgent closed meeting.
http://www.haberturk.com/gundem/haber/753054-ankarada-surpriz-zirve
(sorry for posting in 2 different sections. I just realized that comments that contain more than one link are rejected).
Hmm. Been wondering why Raytheon was hitting yearly highs these past few days.
The New World Order up to their dirty tricks again I see
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I would not be surprised to find the Irish referendum was also fixed to bring in the right result!
So after your brutal attack on lawyers as a class last week (which was backed by several of your ignoramus readers when I attempted a defence. I even mentioned their role in the defence of liberty) they are suddenly OK again. What’s changed?
the law does not seek justice; the law and lawyers play a game called ‘how smart am i, here’s another loophole my friends made earlier’
nothing wrong with that if we accept that the system is corrupted into a parlour game. Most of us wish for something better, and a more appropriate use of your talents.
-I was told yesterday that I can’t eat a jube-jube whilst driving my car-
Research how the city of london is in bed with Syriza and then tell me whether or not this is a false flag or not… Greeks Should be very grateful that Syriza did not get up… Now for the current state if affairs…only time will tell how things pan out.
Dare I say it? Tax is theft, and until they reject the overloards, disengagem, enlightened disengagment, its the same old song and dance, masters need false debt slaves and false debt slaves need masters. My final answer is still. Get behind me satan.
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